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Unread 03-16-2007, 11:40 AM   #61
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We are still friends, this man is a veteran of the Gulf War and so it had nothing to do with training. In his mind the gun was empty because it wouldnâ??t shoot. He suffered from SLOG (sudden loss of judgment)

I believe its how we train people about guns that is the problem, not so long ago most people lived on or near farms or at least had relatives that did and had a much better understanding of what a bullet can do. We knew that the cowboy shows on TV and the war pictures werenâ??t quite accurate.

We have lost this connection.

My method to teach new shooters is to take a couple of watermelons to the range and to show them the damage inside done by a bulletâ??even a 22 long rifle. They can relate to the redness of the melon and to what happens to a human when shot without loosing their lunch, something that happens when you show them real pictures. You can show them the wound channel and talk about how guns kill. I have never had anyone loose control of barrel direction after using this methodâ??it sticks with them.

Sorry for derailing the test, it was the best example on WD40 I could think of.

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I just can not make myself go hunting with him any longer.

Back on subject: The ATF your using is petroleum based as are many but some are synthetic or a mix of both, results could be very much different with other brands.
Mobil 1 is my big surprise; I thought for sure you would be seeing something by now!

Oh I looked up the MSDS on your ATF fluid itâ??s no worse than WD40 same toxicity level. Some ATF fluids are really bad so be careful and take the time to look up the hazards of what youâ??re using. Easily done with the internet, many schools have them posted on their networks for ready review.
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Unread 03-16-2007, 02:08 PM   #62
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Here is the last picture before a work related week trip to Indonesia.. Not much has happened in the last couple of days.. will come with an update on how they are doing when I get back moday 26th


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Unread 03-27-2007, 12:33 PM   #63
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I'm now back from a Jakarta Indonesia. For those interested in how things are going after the flooding one month ago, for me things seemed mostly to be back to normal. Though there is a large contrast between rich and poor.. help is still needed.

Anyway, here is how they looked when I got back yesterday. After 18 days.
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Unread 03-27-2007, 03:32 PM   #64
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Steinar, thank you for a very valuable and instructive endeavor. It has caused me to rethink my gun care regimen and to discard some products I have used for years. Well done.
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Unread 04-22-2007, 09:47 AM   #65
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Days have come and days have gone.. This is a final update on the results!





Even after 36 days, it was still hard to seperate "a winner". ..so I did a little shake to speed things up.





Stubborn as I am, I don't stop there..


Will come with an update later on, when I find the time.. Have a nice weekend!
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It's a rainy day outside my Oslo appartment, so the brave test subjects got a tough start



..ever wondered what those boxes outside the porch is for? Well.. I think I found the answer



1. Aeroshell 2F
2. WD-40
3. Mobil 1
4. Aluma Guard
5. Rem oil
6. Hoppies oil
7. Militec 1
8. Break Free LP
9. Brownells Steinless Slick
10. RIG +P Steinless stell
11. Lihium grease
12. Black Bear PAR-AL-Ketone
(thanks Chris!)
13. Swiss grase oil
14. Dutch oil
(thanks G. van. Vlimmeren!)
15. ATF Fluid
16. FP10
(thanks 76Vette!)
17. Eezok bottle
18. Eezok spray
19. Kroil
20. X-Tend No.1
21. X-Tend No.2
22. Norwegian Army oil
..and the more creative stuff..
23. Soya oil
24. 'Real Mink oil' - Shoe wax made by Boston
25. Ski wax ..who knows?
26. Sewing machine oil
27. Without oil

Thanks to all who has contributed! I appreciate it!
My plan was to add some more gun oils wich I havein Leksvik, but work is keeping me in Oslo until mid summer.
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After a rainy night, rust is starting to show


..it's quite impressive that #4 'Aluma Guard' and #6 'Hoppies oil' actually makes the sample area rust faster than #27 wich is without any, just as they did on the first test..
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Unread 04-24-2007, 11:52 AM   #68
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After another day, with a combination of snow and rain.. this is how they are doing;



If I should try to range them from bad->good, it would be something like this; #4, #6, #27, #19, #26, #25, #21, #7, #1, #20, #13.

The rest, is still going strong

*update*
..third day in a row with rain..
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Unread 04-26-2007, 11:52 AM   #69
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The last 24 hours has not been kind to the samples!
Some has gone from almost no rust to all rusted within just 24h..


It has been a foggy day.. and this is how they look now;

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Interesting results. Faith in my trusty gun oil is somewhat restored
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Unread 04-27-2007, 03:33 AM   #71
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Yes, the results are quite different! ..Think this test is a little more relevant, think (and hope) that you guys are not storing away your luger in salty water
I will be away on a work trip until the middle of next week, so there will be no update until then. Take care and have a nice weekend


*new update 3th May*


*taken 13th May*


From good to worse; 12, 24, 13, 22, 9, 10, 11, 23 and14 ..the rest is hard to seperate..


*info added 17 october; I will be in Switzerland and Italy next week, but when I get back, I will try to photoshop pictures together to make the results more viewable.
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