DWM Rust Bluing Formula??

Chuckc · 10-01-2005, 05:14 PM

I am refinishing a shooter, mismatched and hot blued previously, and would like to match the original DWM rust blue. I have rust blued muzzle loaders in the past with Pilkingtons, but I understand the DWM blue would be different. Does anyone have the DWM rust blue formula?

And I need information on how to do the straw colors if anyone has the tables and instructions.

Thanks for your time.

Chuck

policeluger · 10-01-2005, 08:32 PM

Send me you email address and I will attach my instructions for straw...and if you find a good formula,please let me know.

Chuckc · 10-01-2005, 08:58 PM

My e-mail is ccam61@aol.com.

I appreciate the information. And I will pass along any information I get on the formula. I have access to several different acids and other chemicals, so I could probably mix the brew, if I knew the components.

I think there is a way to send e-mails through the forum, but I have not explored that yet.

Thanks for the information.

Chuck

Pete Ebbink · 10-01-2005, 10:12 PM

Hi Chuck,

If you go to Howard's last posting, you will see four little icons along the bottom.

If you click on the little icon of two guys holding hands (I guess luger collectors can be close...

) next to an envelop, it will link you to send Howard an email...

Give it a try...

Edward Tinker · 10-01-2005, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pete Ebbink
If you click on the little icon of two guys holding hands (I guess luger collectors can be close... ..

shaking hands Pete, I like you, but "holding" hands isn't my cup of tea....

But I'd shake your hand any day (10 second rule applies)

Herb · 10-02-2005, 10:40 AM

Ed, you have to realize Pete is from KA, strange things happen there, lol!!

Chuckc · 10-02-2005, 01:08 PM

Looks like I am drilling a dry hole here. I am not looking for anyones secret formula. Maybe a hint about the composition.

Does more Nitric acid result in the color of the DWM pieces? Or is the concentration of Hcl resposibile for this? More Nitric or more Hycrochloric?

I guess I could do a lot of experimentation and find out for myself. But with the amount of research and knowledge, I thought it might be somewhat public knowledge.

Pete Ebbink · 10-02-2005, 01:32 PM

Chuck,

I have sent you a name/contact of a fellow you might ask.

I suspect folks that have a formula want to keep it to themselves...especially if they are in the business and make a living offering restoration services... and/or they might be afraid a really good formula will just get into the hands of folks doing Waffenfabrik-USA boosting work.

Regards,

Pete...

chuck17 · 10-02-2005, 01:50 PM

Chuck,

How does the Pilkington's turn out when you use it? Is it blacker or bluer than original? I had thought about trying the Pilkingtons.

Thanks,
another Chuck

Pete Ebbink · 10-02-2005, 01:55 PM

Ed,

Regarding that little icon...

If those folks were shaking hands, they would be shown in profile and standing face-to-face. The icon shows two guys standing side-by-side with hands linked...like they were walking down the street...you see that in parts of California and even Amarillo, TX alot...(I hear Amarillo is No. 2 behind SF in this matter...)

p.s. If you shake hands for 10 seconds...well then you may need to move to CA...

regul · 10-02-2005, 02:26 PM

Chuck
You may want to try the book, Firearm Blueing and Browning by R.H. Angier.
The price is about $20.00
Good luck
Ed

Pete Ebbink · 10-02-2005, 05:21 PM

http://www.rayrilingarmsbooks.com/cg...55.cgi/57.html

Hugh · 10-02-2005, 06:22 PM

Seems I remember reading in one of the Luger books that at DWM they hung the frames below the holes in the urinal for a few days to achieve that beautiful blue.

Chuckc · 10-02-2005, 08:35 PM

Hugh,

Did they mention how many days they hung there? Do I have to drink a lot of that heavy German beer at near room temp, or would ice cold American light do the trick? Seems like the light beer would result in a lighter color. Maybe that is how they got the straw color.

Chuckc · 10-02-2005, 08:39 PM

Ed, Pete,

I followed up on both suggestions. The book is now on order and I have sent a message to the contact. Thanks to both.

Excuse me, I have to go get a beer.

jamese · 10-03-2005, 06:39 AM

Hugh,
its good to see you back on the board...you home now ?

Jim

Hugh · 10-03-2005, 09:47 AM

Jim,

Nope still in La. I am supposed to call the power co Tuesday to get an estimate of when I will have electricity at home. Indications are that it will be on this week, and if so we will return then.

Chuckc · 10-17-2005, 10:45 AM

I have been doing some reading in the book mentioned above. A lot of information written in a verbose style of Engish, but very interesting. Nothing in there that would point me towards the luger blue although it does give a Bern formula and some German origin formulas. There are limited attempts to describe the results, but nothing to tell me the subtle differences in the resulting colors.

I will now embark on a controlled experiment on old gun barrels to see what kind of results I get with different formulas and preps. Since no one offerd me a secret formula in off-forum communication and swore me to secrecy, I could offer the results on the forum. Anyone interested in the rusults?

policeluger · 10-17-2005, 11:07 AM

I am very much interested, on or off LF....please let me know.

Vlim · 10-17-2005, 12:39 PM

Chuck,

Try to geld hold of Joachim Goertz's 'Die Pistole 08'. He discusses the blueing technique and some recipe-sources in that book. Should be of interest to you.

10-01-2005, 05:14 PM	#1
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	DWM Rust Bluing Formula?? I am refinishing a shooter, mismatched and hot blued previously, and would like to match the original DWM rust blue. I have rust blued muzzle loaders in the past with Pilkingtons, but I understand the DWM blue would be different. Does anyone have the DWM rust blue formula? And I need information on how to do the straw colors if anyone has the tables and instructions. Thanks for your time. Chuck __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-01-2005, 08:58 PM	#3
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My e-mail is ccam61@aol.com. I appreciate the information. And I will pass along any information I get on the formula. I have access to several different acids and other chemicals, so I could probably mix the brew, if I knew the components. I think there is a way to send e-mails through the forum, but I have not explored that yet. Thanks for the information. Chuck __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-02-2005, 10:40 AM	#6
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ed, you have to realize Pete is from KA, strange things happen there, lol!! __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

10-02-2005, 01:08 PM	#7
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Looks like I am drilling a dry hole here. I am not looking for anyones secret formula. Maybe a hint about the composition. Does more Nitric acid result in the color of the DWM pieces? Or is the concentration of Hcl resposibile for this? More Nitric or more Hycrochloric? I guess I could do a lot of experimentation and find out for myself. But with the amount of research and knowledge, I thought it might be somewhat public knowledge. __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-02-2005, 06:22 PM	#13
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Seems I remember reading in one of the Luger books that at DWM they hung the frames below the holes in the urinal for a few days to achieve that beautiful blue. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-01-2005, 08:32 PM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Send me you email address and I will attach my instructions for straw...and if you find a good formula,please let me know.

10-01-2005, 10:12 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Chuck, If you go to Howard's last posting, you will see four little icons along the bottom. If you click on the little icon of two guys holding hands (I guess luger collectors can be close... ) next to an envelop, it will link you to send Howard an email... Give it a try...

10-02-2005, 01:32 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Chuck, I have sent you a name/contact of a fellow you might ask. I suspect folks that have a formula want to keep it to themselves...especially if they are in the business and make a living offering restoration services... and/or they might be afraid a really good formula will just get into the hands of folks doing Waffenfabrik-USA boosting work. Regards, Pete...

10-02-2005, 01:50 PM	#9
chuck17 User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fla Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Chuck, How does the Pilkington's turn out when you use it? Is it blacker or bluer than original? I had thought about trying the Pilkingtons. Thanks, another Chuck

10-02-2005, 01:55 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ed, Regarding that little icon... If those folks were shaking hands, they would be shown in profile and standing face-to-face. The icon shows two guys standing side-by-side with hands linked...like they were walking down the street...you see that in parts of California and even Amarillo, TX alot...(I hear Amarillo is No. 2 behind SF in this matter...) p.s. If you shake hands for 10 seconds...well then you may need to move to CA...

10-02-2005, 02:26 PM	#11
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Chuck You may want to try the book, Firearm Blueing and Browning by R.H. Angier. The price is about $20.00 Good luck Ed

10-02-2005, 05:21 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://www.rayrilingarmsbooks.com/cg...55.cgi/57.html

10-02-2005, 08:35 PM	#14
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hugh, Did they mention how many days they hung there? Do I have to drink a lot of that heavy German beer at near room temp, or would ice cold American light do the trick? Seems like the light beer would result in a lighter color. Maybe that is how they got the straw color. __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-02-2005, 08:39 PM	#15
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, Pete, I followed up on both suggestions. The book is now on order and I have sent a message to the contact. Thanks to both. Excuse me, I have to go get a beer. __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-03-2005, 06:39 AM	#16
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Hugh, its good to see you back on the board...you home now ? Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

10-03-2005, 09:47 AM	#17
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Jim, Nope still in La. I am supposed to call the power co Tuesday to get an estimate of when I will have electricity at home. Indications are that it will be on this week, and if so we will return then. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-17-2005, 10:45 AM	#18
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have been doing some reading in the book mentioned above. A lot of information written in a verbose style of Engish, but very interesting. Nothing in there that would point me towards the luger blue although it does give a Bern formula and some German origin formulas. There are limited attempts to describe the results, but nothing to tell me the subtle differences in the resulting colors. I will now embark on a controlled experiment on old gun barrels to see what kind of results I get with different formulas and preps. Since no one offerd me a secret formula in off-forum communication and swore me to secrecy, I could offer the results on the forum. Anyone interested in the rusults? __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-17-2005, 11:07 AM	#19
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I am very much interested, on or off LF....please let me know.

10-17-2005, 12:39 PM	#20
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,031 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Chuck, Try to geld hold of Joachim Goertz's 'Die Pistole 08'. He discusses the blueing technique and some recipe-sources in that book. Should be of interest to you.