Winters long project

Hub · 01-19-2005, 09:01 PM

It now can be told what I have been up to in place of working on my carbine project. Thanks to Hugh for the grips and GT taking time from his new venture to get me a couple of bottoms and my friend John Martz who is my inspiration. All of these gentlemen knew what I was up to and I thank them for keeping it quite until it was done. Boy do I ever appreciate the old craftsmen that built the Lugers back in the early century. Knowing with what I have to work with and what they had back then they were truley craftsmen.

Well here it is as I want to share it with the forum before I dfisplay it at the shot show. The picture tells it all.

Ron Wood · 01-19-2005, 09:16 PM

YEAH!!! What a wonderful piece of craftsmanship. It would be a pure joy to have that baby cannon erupting at the end of your arm! There isn't enough drool available in the free world to adequately express my envy. Outstanding job.

Edward Tinker · 01-19-2005, 09:34 PM

Agreed.... A John Martz 45 is my dream, but this is awful dang close!

Excellent Hub

Ed

Lugerlover · 01-19-2005, 09:45 PM

Wow! What workmanship! You have outdone yourself on this one. I would love to see the internals.Very very nice.

Pete Ebbink · 01-19-2005, 10:02 PM

Hi Neil,

What a great way to spend a winter !!!

Is the gun made of stainless or steel left "in the white" ?

Also, did you make this one from scratch or did you start with two donor guns and weld them together...as master Martz does...?

Regards,

Pete...

Hub · 01-19-2005, 10:36 PM

A little bit about the gun. 1st the 45 GAP round was developed by Glock and is a 45 with the same length as the 9mm there fore it only takes one gun. The barrel was machined from a Dougles blank and was made in two pieces as the sight base is tig welded on made from the same stock as the barrel (don't have a dividing head to make it in one piece and after doing it probably would do another one the same way.

Tha lower was shortened 1/2 inch as are the babies I make in 9mm. All the internals are done the same as well, except the main spring and it is special. There are quite a few changes that havew to be made and I did keep notes on all of them. There were a lot of go back and change it a little more(s) to get the bugs out of it and there are a couple more before I will be 100% satisfied.

The mag was made by splitting a 10 round 1911 45 magazine length wise and welding back together. A form die was made simular to GT's magazine repair form and after the top shape was cut and the steel annealed the mag was shaped over the form for the fed lips. A special follower hade to be made as well as the GT bottoms. The mag has a FXO sprial full length spring. If I do nay more I will figure the developed length and form them from scratch as Martz does as I feel it will be easier, but of course I have been wroong before.

The gun is finished for now in the white with strawing od the normally done parts and the front fight is heat blued.

To do the ist one it has been a labor of love but very rewarding. The GAP round has the same ballistics as the 45 we all know of but the felt recoil is not that bad especially when compared to a small officers style 1911. The toggle really absorbes the recoil, of course I have not fired it that many time (approximately 30) but then its cold and snow covered here in Indiana.

Will be happy to answer any questions.

Neil

Doug G. · 01-19-2005, 10:53 PM

I want one!

pipeman45 · 01-20-2005, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doug G.
I want one!

Me too. But because I'm poor- I would settle for more pic's. Could you do a complete lay-out and break down. Please!!!!

Heinz · 01-20-2005, 05:25 AM

Wow!!

Luke · 01-20-2005, 05:57 AM

Wow ! Again !

What a beautiful work of art.

Luke

Thor · 01-20-2005, 07:20 AM

Hub, superb work sir!

Hub · 01-20-2005, 11:24 AM

Rick,
A completely new breech block...

Frank · 01-20-2005, 12:09 PM

Neil, super job!! You are one skillful son-of-a-gun (pun intended)!!

Hub · 01-20-2005, 02:33 PM

If any of the forum members are at the Shot Show next weekend stop by as the Raffle gun and the 45 GAP will both be there. Look in the directory for Cylinder & Slide booth number as we got in too late this year and are with them. Would enjoy putting some faces to the names. I will be there off and on as I will be strolling the show as well.

Off the beat a little, I built a 204 Ruger varmit rifle for my grandson and will be looking for components for another. Anybody got a remingtom small short action for sale resonable?

Thanks for all the comments it makes me feel as it was a worth while project.

John Sabato · 11-04-2005, 10:42 AM

Somehow I missed this thread when it appeared... WOW is all I can say...

I would love to know what mods you had to do to the frame other than shortening...

Thor · 11-04-2005, 12:38 PM

I can visualize that Baby in a Jerry Burney shoulder holster with pocket for the extra magazine. I think Ron Wood in the above post described my feelings about this jewel very accurately!

Rod WMG · 11-04-2005, 01:59 PM

Don't know how I missed this, but, oh my, it's gorgeous.

That great big hole in that bity and elegant gun is really impressive.

I'm lusting in my heart.

Ron Smith · 11-04-2005, 07:39 PM

Hate to be redundant, but WOW! Again..... What a dream pistol.

Hub · 11-09-2005, 08:56 AM

SDteve,
Sorry forv the delay but have been out of town, Right now I am not taking any orders for the GAP 45s but if I decide to start doing them I will post the same on the forum. Thanks for the interest and inquiry.
Neil

hqbmw · 11-09-2005, 10:47 PM

I represent Glock Inc, creators of the .45 GAP. It appears that you willingly embarked on manufacturing a firearm chambered in .45 GAP WITHOUT a license from the company.

We can approach this two ways. First, you can pay the normal and reasonable licensing fee or second, you can send the firearm you have created to the address below. I look forward to receiving the gun.

Jack Hiles
Mesa AZ

01-19-2005, 09:01 PM	#1
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Winters long project It now can be told what I have been up to in place of working on my carbine project. Thanks to Hugh for the grips and GT taking time from his new venture to get me a couple of bottoms and my friend John Martz who is my inspiration. All of these gentlemen knew what I was up to and I thank them for keeping it quite until it was done. Boy do I ever appreciate the old craftsmen that built the Lugers back in the early century. Knowing with what I have to work with and what they had back then they were truley craftsmen. Well here it is as I want to share it with the forum before I dfisplay it at the shot show. The picture tells it all. Attached Thumbnails

01-19-2005, 09:16 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	YEAH!!! What a wonderful piece of craftsmanship. It would be a pure joy to have that baby cannon erupting at the end of your arm! There isn't enough drool available in the free world to adequately express my envy. Outstanding job. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-19-2005, 09:34 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Agreed.... A John Martz 45 is my dream, but this is awful dang close! Excellent Hub Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-19-2005, 10:53 PM	#7
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	I want one! __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

01-20-2005, 05:57 AM	#10
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Wow ! Again ! What a beautiful work of art. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

01-19-2005, 09:45 PM	#4
Lugerlover User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Wow! What workmanship! You have outdone yourself on this one. I would love to see the internals.Very very nice.

01-19-2005, 10:02 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Neil, What a great way to spend a winter !!! Is the gun made of stainless or steel left "in the white" ? Also, did you make this one from scratch or did you start with two donor guns and weld them together...as master Martz does...? Regards, Pete...

01-19-2005, 10:36 PM	#6
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	A little bit about the gun. 1st the 45 GAP round was developed by Glock and is a 45 with the same length as the 9mm there fore it only takes one gun. The barrel was machined from a Dougles blank and was made in two pieces as the sight base is tig welded on made from the same stock as the barrel (don't have a dividing head to make it in one piece and after doing it probably would do another one the same way. Tha lower was shortened 1/2 inch as are the babies I make in 9mm. All the internals are done the same as well, except the main spring and it is special. There are quite a few changes that havew to be made and I did keep notes on all of them. There were a lot of go back and change it a little more(s) to get the bugs out of it and there are a couple more before I will be 100% satisfied. The mag was made by splitting a 10 round 1911 45 magazine length wise and welding back together. A form die was made simular to GT's magazine repair form and after the top shape was cut and the steel annealed the mag was shaped over the form for the fed lips. A special follower hade to be made as well as the GT bottoms. The mag has a FXO sprial full length spring. If I do nay more I will figure the developed length and form them from scratch as Martz does as I feel it will be easier, but of course I have been wroong before. The gun is finished for now in the white with strawing od the normally done parts and the front fight is heat blued. To do the ist one it has been a labor of love but very rewarding. The GAP round has the same ballistics as the 45 we all know of but the felt recoil is not that bad especially when compared to a small officers style 1911. The toggle really absorbes the recoil, of course I have not fired it that many time (approximately 30) but then its cold and snow covered here in Indiana. Will be happy to answer any questions. Neil

01-20-2005, 05:25 AM	#9
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Wow!!

01-20-2005, 07:20 AM	#11
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	WOW!!! Hub, superb work sir! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

01-20-2005, 11:24 AM	#12
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Rick, A completely new breech block...

01-20-2005, 12:09 PM	#13
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Neil, super job!! You are one skillful son-of-a-gun (pun intended)!!

01-20-2005, 02:33 PM	#14
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	If any of the forum members are at the Shot Show next weekend stop by as the Raffle gun and the 45 GAP will both be there. Look in the directory for Cylinder & Slide booth number as we got in too late this year and are with them. Would enjoy putting some faces to the names. I will be there off and on as I will be strolling the show as well. Off the beat a little, I built a 204 Ruger varmit rifle for my grandson and will be looking for components for another. Anybody got a remingtom small short action for sale resonable? Thanks for all the comments it makes me feel as it was a worth while project.

11-04-2005, 10:42 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Somehow I missed this thread when it appeared... WOW is all I can say... I would love to know what mods you had to do to the frame other than shortening... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-04-2005, 12:38 PM	#16
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I can visualize that Baby in a Jerry Burney shoulder holster with pocket for the extra magazine. I think Ron Wood in the above post described my feelings about this jewel very accurately! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-04-2005, 01:59 PM	#17
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't know how I missed this, but, oh my, it's gorgeous. That great big hole in that bity and elegant gun is really impressive. I'm lusting in my heart.

11-04-2005, 07:39 PM	#18
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hate to be redundant, but WOW! Again..... What a dream pistol. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-09-2005, 08:56 AM	#19
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	SDteve, Sorry forv the delay but have been out of town, Right now I am not taking any orders for the GAP 45s but if I decide to start doing them I will post the same on the forum. Thanks for the interest and inquiry. Neil

11-09-2005, 10:47 PM	#20
hqbmw User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 228 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I represent Glock Inc, creators of the .45 GAP. It appears that you willingly embarked on manufacturing a firearm chambered in .45 GAP WITHOUT a license from the company. We can approach this two ways. First, you can pay the normal and reasonable licensing fee or second, you can send the firearm you have created to the address below. I look forward to receiving the gun. Jack Hiles Mesa AZ __________________ Jack Hiles Mesa AZ