Another test eagle

Mike B · 12-30-2011, 12:38 AM

Here are a few pictures of a test Eagle that I recently purchased. It appears that this might be a new serial number, as this serial number is not on Dwights list. Ron says he has it on his list. In any case, being a new number or one that has been previously recorded, I am happy to be the new owner. I now own 7050 and this new (to me) serial number 6391. This test Luger is all matching including the grips. The toggle lock appears to have been reworked, but being a test weapon, repairs can be expected. Your thoughts and comments are welcome.

Mike

alanint · 12-30-2011, 12:56 AM

Mike, a stunning AE Test!!

Man, how I envy you Test Pistol owners!!

MFC · 12-30-2011, 02:16 AM

Congratulations! Another nice one.
I'd be more than happy to test your Test Eagles for you.

sheepherder · 12-30-2011, 07:23 AM

What are your thoughts on the witness mark???

alvin · 12-30-2011, 09:12 AM

A minor observation: From the picture, the right side of the take down level was polished in the past.

mcg · 12-30-2011, 11:50 AM

Fantastic Test Eagle. Don't you find it amazing that after all this time,they might still be found with matching numbered grip plates?
Congrats!
Mark

Hugo Borchardt · 12-30-2011, 07:46 PM

Astounding! Congratulations!

Just 30 serial numbers into the 6361-7108 block in the Bannerman purchase.

Clark

sheepherder · 12-30-2011, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

What are your thoughts on the witness mark???

Well, nobody else commented, so I will...The witness mark looks original, but is offset very slightly...maybe only 1/2 of 1º...I suppose that could be considered part of the "being a test weapon, repairs can be expected" theory...Perhaps removed for inspection and replaced just slightly off...Or maybe purposely offset to compensate for bullet drift...

It's interesting that it is unscrewed that 1/2 of 1º...

alvin · 12-30-2011, 09:57 PM

I thought about strawing again. Say, it's repaired in the past so some small parts could be refinished, that's normal. But in that case, why would gunsmith left the worn grip untouched. It's impossible to make sense out of everything.

Mike B · 12-30-2011, 11:40 PM

Thanks for the nice and complimentary comments. To answer a couple that might need a little clarification: all the straw color looks to be a bit fresher than the pistol itself. I guess sometime in the one hundred plus years of its existence, somebody thought a new straw job would make it look better. As far the the witness marks, the difference is so slight, I really don't think there is any cause for concern. It is highly possible that someone removed the barrel and could not fully tighten it. Yes, I do agree that it is amazing that the original grips are still on the Luger. The numbers are very clear and the proof marks, that were discussed in an earlier thread, are very clear as well. The left grip panel does look like it has excessive wear in the photo. That is only a result of poor lighting; both grip panels are in great condition. And finally to Clark, yes it is rather amazing that this is only the 30th or so in the Bannerman lot. Thanks again for all the kind words,

Mike

sheepherder · 12-31-2011, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike B

As far the the witness marks, the difference is so slight, I really don't think there is any cause for concern.

I don't either (struck angle and depth are consistent on both sides); I was curious as to whether anyone else had a reason for the marks to be divergent.

I suppose it's possible the barrel might have been removed to inspect/measure bore erosion or rifling wear; I'm not familiar with any test criteria for any pistol, which was my intent in asking.

I agree; a beautiful Test Luger. I wish I could afford to indulge in acquisitions like this myself...

sheepherder · 12-31-2011, 05:50 PM

AE Test Lugers, VoPo/Russian capture Lugers, and possibly the French post-war rebuilds/assemblies seem to be the only Lugers that collectors agree can have mismatched/force matched/refurbed parts and not lose collectibility/value...

...Hmmmmm???...

Dwight Gruber · 01-01-2012, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

AE Test Lugers, VoPo/Russian capture Lugers, and possibly the French post-war rebuilds/assemblies seem to be the only Lugers that collectors agree can have mismatched/force matched/refurbed parts and not lose collectibility/value...

...Hmmmmm???...

Don't forget acceptability of repaired Dutch and Finnish pistols. Also authentic Swiss rebluing.

--Dwight

Douglas Jr. · 01-03-2012, 02:49 PM

Congratulations for your new find.
It is a great pistol, for sure. I would love to have it in my collection, but AE Lugers are almost impossible to find down here.

All the best,
Douglas

mrerick · 01-03-2012, 06:36 PM

Mike,

Congratulations on your excellent A.E.! It's a beautiful pistol.

Marc

Russ · 01-07-2012, 11:46 AM

I was able to handle this gun before it was sold. It is a very nice eagle. Sold in a small local auction here. Congrats on the test gun. You were bidding against me..
Russ

12-30-2011, 12:38 AM	#1
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Another test eagle Here are a few pictures of a test Eagle that I recently purchased. It appears that this might be a new serial number, as this serial number is not on Dwights list. Ron says he has it on his list. In any case, being a new number or one that has been previously recorded, I am happy to be the new owner. I now own 7050 and this new (to me) serial number 6391. This test Luger is all matching including the grips. The toggle lock appears to have been reworked, but being a test weapon, repairs can be expected. Your thoughts and comments are welcome. Mike Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

12-30-2011, 02:16 AM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Congratulations! Another nice one. I'd be more than happy to test your Test Eagles for you. __________________ Mike C.

12-30-2011, 07:23 AM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	What are your thoughts on the witness mark??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-30-2011, 07:46 PM	#7
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 339 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	Astounding! Congratulations! Just 30 serial numbers into the 6361-7108 block in the Bannerman purchase. Clark __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

12-31-2011, 05:50 PM	#12
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	AE Test Lugers, VoPo/Russian capture Lugers, and possibly the French post-war rebuilds/assemblies seem to be the only Lugers that collectors agree can have mismatched/force matched/refurbed parts and not lose collectibility/value... ...Hmmmmm???... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

12-30-2011, 12:56 AM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Mike, a stunning AE Test!! Man, how I envy you Test Pistol owners!!

12-30-2011, 09:12 AM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	A minor observation: From the picture, the right side of the take down level was polished in the past.

12-30-2011, 11:50 AM	#6
mcg Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 92 Thanks: 263 Thanked 29 Times in 21 Posts	Fantastic Test Eagle. Don't you find it amazing that after all this time,they might still be found with matching numbered grip plates? Congrats! Mark

12-30-2011, 09:57 PM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I thought about strawing again. Say, it's repaired in the past so some small parts could be refinished, that's normal. But in that case, why would gunsmith left the worn grip untouched. It's impossible to make sense out of everything.

12-30-2011, 11:40 PM	#10
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Thanks for the nice and complimentary comments. To answer a couple that might need a little clarification: all the straw color looks to be a bit fresher than the pistol itself. I guess sometime in the one hundred plus years of its existence, somebody thought a new straw job would make it look better. As far the the witness marks, the difference is so slight, I really don't think there is any cause for concern. It is highly possible that someone removed the barrel and could not fully tighten it. Yes, I do agree that it is amazing that the original grips are still on the Luger. The numbers are very clear and the proof marks, that were discussed in an earlier thread, are very clear as well. The left grip panel does look like it has excessive wear in the photo. That is only a result of poor lighting; both grip panels are in great condition. And finally to Clark, yes it is rather amazing that this is only the 30th or so in the Bannerman lot. Thanks again for all the kind words, Mike

01-03-2012, 02:49 PM	#14
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Congratulations for your new find. It is a great pistol, for sure. I would love to have it in my collection, but AE Lugers are almost impossible to find down here. All the best, Douglas

01-03-2012, 06:36 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Mike, Congratulations on your excellent A.E.! It's a beautiful pistol. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-07-2012, 11:46 AM	#16
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	I was able to handle this gun before it was sold. It is a very nice eagle. Sold in a small local auction here. Congrats on the test gun. You were bidding against me.. Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!