1906 Navy with " I.S.B."-question

karmast · 07-23-2004, 07:31 PM

Hi everybody out there.

I am searching a brother: I do own a very used 1906 Navy (in fact, its a dug find) with the unit mark: I.S.B. 49

I asked myself, if anybody of you knows from another 1904/06 with a unit mark of the first sea battailon.

I read at Goertz "Die Pistole 08", that only 93 were delivered to the I.S.B from the 1904/06 Navy..

Jamka · 07-25-2004, 07:22 AM

Matthias,

Guten Tag -
In Jan C. Still's book "Imperial Lugers", on pages 195/196 is stated:
Navy Variation 1906, Marked I.S.B. SN# 76 - 702, 8 reported.
This was the state of reported numbers in 1988.
Yours would certainly add to this number.

B.T.W., I have a same model, #3036a, matching mag, marked on the rear with III.St.S.B. 22.
That reads "Drittes Stamm Seebatalion"... In Still's book none were reported at the time.
This Luger stayed in Cuxhaven for the personnel and training unit.

Good Luck !

karmast · 07-25-2004, 08:01 AM

Joop, bon jour!

The serial number, I owen is X405a, the X means: unreadable.

Seems like the sea bataillon navys do all have the a-suffix? but that doesn`t match with the dates in Jan C. Stills book..
I do not have the book, but I am trying to find (cheap) examples of these Luger-books.

Yours is definitely a rare unit stamp, necer heard about it before..

luger11 · 07-25-2004, 04:02 PM

luger11 · 07-25-2004, 04:06 PM

Hi all..at last thanks to Pete and my Grandaughter I have been able to post a photo.
This is my 06 navy I.S.B.

Leo

Jamka · 07-25-2004, 06:10 PM

Matthias, Leo,

It seems we are building up a S.B. club here.
Well, yes, they are very, very rare. If you add all three S.B.'s together, only 10 were reported in the books untill now. Makes one feel proud...

Leo, congratulations with your I.S.B. - it looks certainly in good shape - better then mine, which was somewhere in the past polished and reblued... Looking fine and OK, but more like a 90 years old lady after a face lift.

Matthias, I am not very shure, but I think that you can find copies of at last two of his books directly from Jan Still's site - look there under the book forum. As to your question about the series of the 1906 Navy variation, I quote Still again; page 159:
Produced were 21.000, serial range 69-9912, 7a - 9945a, 2b - 998b, of which 460 were reported in 1988. (attention, all these had a grip safety).

Good luck to the three of us, the S.B. - club!

luger11 · 07-26-2004, 04:37 PM

To all concerned......this and many even rarer navy pieces will be on display at the NAPCA meeting next month....Support NAPCA and attend.

Leo

karmast · 07-27-2004, 11:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jamka:
Matthias, Leo,

It seems we are building up a S.B. club here.
Well, yes, they are very, very rare. If you add all three S.B.'s together, only 10 were reported in the books untill now. Makes one feel proud...

Leo, congratulations with your I.S.B. - it looks certainly in good shape - better then mine, which was somewhere in the past polished and reblued... Looking fine and OK, but more like a 90 years old lady after a face lift.

Matthias, I am not very shure, but I think that you can find copies of at last two of his books directly from Jan Still's site - look there under the book forum. As to your question about the series of the 1906 Navy variation, I quote Still again; page 159:
Produced were 21.000, serial range 69-9912, 7a - 9945a, 2b - 998b, of which 460 were reported in 1988. (attention, all these had a grip safety).

Good luck to the three of us, the S.B. - club!<hr /></blockquote>A good advice: I will ask him this evening, if he has any books left..
You are right, its my first navy, altough its deactivated due to German weapon law (but I wouldn't dare to shoot it at all, due to its condition) its a jewel in my collection, I simply love it.
My princess was found near the belgium frontier in the early 60s with the soldier, a SS-man, lying near it. So was it told from the guy I bought it from. I have no reason to disbelieve him, because he never tricked me and the story wasn't an argument to get a higher price.

karmast · 08-11-2004, 08:45 AM

@luger11: thx for sharing your pic with us. I tdoesn't has a inventary number?

07-23-2004, 07:31 PM	#1
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1906 Navy with " I.S.B."-question Hi everybody out there. I am searching a brother: I do own a very used 1906 Navy (in fact, its a dug find) with the unit mark: I.S.B. 49 I asked myself, if anybody of you knows from another 1904/06 with a unit mark of the first sea battailon. I read at Goertz "Die Pistole 08", that only 93 were delivered to the I.S.B from the 1904/06 Navy.. __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

07-25-2004, 07:22 AM	#2
Jamka RIP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Antwerp Belgium Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Matthias, Guten Tag - In Jan C. Still's book "Imperial Lugers", on pages 195/196 is stated: Navy Variation 1906, Marked I.S.B. SN# 76 - 702, 8 reported. This was the state of reported numbers in 1988. Yours would certainly add to this number. B.T.W., I have a same model, #3036a, matching mag, marked on the rear with III.St.S.B. 22. That reads "Drittes Stamm Seebatalion"... In Still's book none were reported at the time. This Luger stayed in Cuxhaven for the personnel and training unit. Good Luck ! __________________ Joop

07-25-2004, 06:10 PM	#6
Jamka RIP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Antwerp Belgium Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Matthias, Leo, It seems we are building up a S.B. club here. Well, yes, they are very, very rare. If you add all three S.B.'s together, only 10 were reported in the books untill now. Makes one feel proud... Leo, congratulations with your I.S.B. - it looks certainly in good shape - better then mine, which was somewhere in the past polished and reblued... Looking fine and OK, but more like a 90 years old lady after a face lift. Matthias, I am not very shure, but I think that you can find copies of at last two of his books directly from Jan Still's site - look there under the book forum. As to your question about the series of the 1906 Navy variation, I quote Still again; page 159: Produced were 21.000, serial range 69-9912, 7a - 9945a, 2b - 998b, of which 460 were reported in 1988. (attention, all these had a grip safety). Good luck to the three of us, the S.B. - club! __________________ Joop

07-27-2004, 11:28 AM	#8
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Jamka: <strong>Matthias, Leo, It seems we are building up a S.B. club here. Well, yes, they are very, very rare. If you add all three S.B.'s together, only 10 were reported in the books untill now. Makes one feel proud... Leo, congratulations with your I.S.B. - it looks certainly in good shape - better then mine, which was somewhere in the past polished and reblued... Looking fine and OK, but more like a 90 years old lady after a face lift. Matthias, I am not very shure, but I think that you can find copies of at last two of his books directly from Jan Still's site - look there under the book forum. As to your question about the series of the 1906 Navy variation, I quote Still again; page 159: Produced were 21.000, serial range 69-9912, 7a - 9945a, 2b - 998b, of which 460 were reported in 1988. (attention, all these had a grip safety). Good luck to the three of us, the S.B. - club!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">A good advice: I will ask him this evening, if he has any books left.. You are right, its my first navy, altough its deactivated due to German weapon law (but I wouldn't dare to shoot it at all, due to its condition) its a jewel in my collection, I simply love it. My princess was found near the belgium frontier in the early 60s with the soldier, a SS-man, lying near it. So was it told from the guy I bought it from. I have no reason to disbelieve him, because he never tricked me and the story wasn't an argument to get a higher price. __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

08-11-2004, 08:45 AM	#9
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	@luger11: thx for sharing your pic with us. I tdoesn't has a inventary number? __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

07-25-2004, 08:01 AM	#3
karmast User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Joop, bon jour! The serial number, I owen is X405a, the X means: unreadable. Seems like the sea bataillon navys do all have the a-suffix? but that doesn`t match with the dates in Jan C. Stills book.. I do not have the book, but I am trying to find (cheap) examples of these Luger-books. Yours is definitely a rare unit stamp, necer heard about it before.. __________________ Every Luger tells a story - but you have to find out what it says..

07-25-2004, 04:02 PM	#4
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

07-25-2004, 04:06 PM	#5
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi all..at last thanks to Pete and my Grandaughter I have been able to post a photo. This is my 06 navy I.S.B. Leo

07-26-2004, 04:37 PM	#7
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To all concerned......this and many even rarer navy pieces will be on display at the NAPCA meeting next month....Support NAPCA and attend. Leo