Unit Markings Help Wanted... - Page 2

Navy · 07-17-2002, 11:44 AM

One last reason why L.P.Th cannot be Potsdam....Potsdam is in what was Prussia, not Thuringen

Tom A.
Who lived in .. for over .. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Garfield · 07-18-2002, 06:42 PM

PL:

Thanks for posting the pics of the proofs on you pistol. Unfortunately it is difficult to tell much. I am unfamiliar with a receiver proof found on a police pistol that incorporates a large "2" in it, however, as I previously stated, there are a lot of things that I haven't seen. Am going to attempt to look into this. If you are interested, I will email if I find something out.

Regards,

policeluger · 07-18-2002, 10:08 PM

Garfield,
thanks and keep me posted on what you find, this is what the forum is all about. PL

Jan C Still · 07-19-2002, 09:29 PM

Pete
It seems that you folks have already figured the unit mark ID.

I got the following ID from Klaus Schad
"I'm quite positive that this police unit mark stands for : Landes Polizei
Thueringen Waffe Nr.171."

Based on its serial number I would estimate that your Luger was manufactured in about 1924 by DWM. According to orders dated 1933 the sear and magazine safeties were added. It was common for the police armories to add serial numbers to the sideplate, the receiver and other parts. These additional serial are not as well struck as the factory serial numbers.

You have obtained a new manufactured DWM Luger issued to the Prussian State police with a matching magazine. Neat Luger
Jan

Pete Ebbink · 07-20-2002, 12:56 AM

Hello Jan,

Thanks for the confirming info. on my police luger.

Funny; I just ducked into this gunshop to avoid a 1-hour commute-time drive home. Was not expecting to really find anything to buy.

And then to find that mostly-intact magazine safety device (I think it is a Walther-type design). That was just a great surprise !!!

Pete...

ken d · 08-06-2002, 05:44 PM

Hello Pete;
I responded to a "Bargain Mart" ad this weekend and picked up a DWM 1917 all matching, 2342e military /police reissue. Normal DWM proofs on receiver, replaced renumbered barrel with E/su25 proof, overall excellent condition. Has sear and disabled mag safties. Front gripstrap marked-- L.P.Th.1772, Wooden bottom mag marked crossways L.P.Th 2342(two lines). Sorry no pic capability.
Thueringen must of had a lot of lugers--1772
Ken D

Thor · 09-12-2002, 09:42 PM

Okay guys, here is a long one, all medium height letters and numbers all the same Height. These found on the front grip strap of a 1916 DWM.
4.E.M.G.K.18.A.K. WOW, that is a mouthfull!

Doubs · 09-12-2002, 11:25 PM

Thor, if I'm reading Jeff Noll's book of Regimental Markings correctly, "4.E.M.G.K.18.A.K." translates to: "4th Ersatz-Maschinengewehr- Kompagnien 18th Armeekorps" or 4th Replacement Machinegun Company of the 18th Army Corps.

According to his list, each Army Corps had from 2 to 7 such companies assigned. He also says that when E.M.G.K. markings are found, often the specific Army Corps is not identified. The marking is illustrated in the 1909 Official Regulations.

Thor · 09-13-2002, 12:07 AM

WOW!!! Thanks Doubs!

Navy · 09-13-2002, 10:14 AM

Concur with Doubs. He nailed it.

Tom A.

09-12-2002, 09:42 PM	#27
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Okay guys, here is a long one, all medium height letters and numbers all the same Height. These found on the front grip strap of a 1916 DWM. 4.E.M.G.K.18.A.K. WOW, that is a mouthfull! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

09-13-2002, 12:07 AM	#29
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	WOW!!! Thanks Doubs! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-17-2002, 11:44 AM	#21
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	One last reason why L.P.Th cannot be Potsdam....Potsdam is in what was Prussia, not Thuringen Tom A. Who lived in .. for over .. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

07-18-2002, 06:42 PM	#22
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	PL: Thanks for posting the pics of the proofs on you pistol. Unfortunately it is difficult to tell much. I am unfamiliar with a receiver proof found on a police pistol that incorporates a large "2" in it, however, as I previously stated, there are a lot of things that I haven't seen. Am going to attempt to look into this. If you are interested, I will email if I find something out. Regards,

07-18-2002, 10:08 PM	#23
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Garfield, thanks and keep me posted on what you find, this is what the forum is all about. PL

07-19-2002, 09:29 PM	#24
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Pete It seems that you folks have already figured the unit mark ID. I got the following ID from Klaus Schad "I'm quite positive that this police unit mark stands for : Landes Polizei Thueringen Waffe Nr.171." Based on its serial number I would estimate that your Luger was manufactured in about 1924 by DWM. According to orders dated 1933 the sear and magazine safeties were added. It was common for the police armories to add serial numbers to the sideplate, the receiver and other parts. These additional serial are not as well struck as the factory serial numbers. You have obtained a new manufactured DWM Luger issued to the Prussian State police with a matching magazine. Neat Luger Jan

07-20-2002, 12:56 AM	#25
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Jan, Thanks for the confirming info. on my police luger. Funny; I just ducked into this gunshop to avoid a 1-hour commute-time drive home. Was not expecting to really find anything to buy. And then to find that mostly-intact magazine safety device (I think it is a Walther-type design). That was just a great surprise !!! Pete...

08-06-2002, 05:44 PM	#26
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Hello Pete; I responded to a "Bargain Mart" ad this weekend and picked up a DWM 1917 all matching, 2342e military /police reissue. Normal DWM proofs on receiver, replaced renumbered barrel with E/su25 proof, overall excellent condition. Has sear and disabled mag safties. Front gripstrap marked-- L.P.Th.1772, Wooden bottom mag marked crossways L.P.Th 2342(two lines). Sorry no pic capability. Thueringen must of had a lot of lugers--1772 Ken D

09-12-2002, 11:25 PM	#28
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	Thor, if I'm reading Jeff Noll's book of Regimental Markings correctly, "4.E.M.G.K.18.A.K." translates to: "4th Ersatz-Maschinengewehr- Kompagnien 18th Armeekorps" or 4th Replacement Machinegun Company of the 18th Army Corps. According to his list, each Army Corps had from 2 to 7 such companies assigned. He also says that when E.M.G.K. markings are found, often the specific Army Corps is not identified. The marking is illustrated in the 1909 Official Regulations.

09-13-2002, 10:14 AM	#30
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Concur with Doubs. He nailed it. Tom A.