What do these mean?

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 03:35 PM

Often I see various capitalized letters like HO, and others in descriptions of pistols. I think HO means hold open, but I don't have the foggiest notion about the others. It there a location where these are listed? If not, one someone please reply with the XX = something or another?

Thanks,

Hoyt Weathers

Dwight Gruber · 08-01-2005, 04:08 PM

Hoyt,

Designations like this are pretty 'ad hoc', there is no real systemization and collectors use them pretty casually. Here is a listing of what occurs to me at the moment, its far from complete and I'm sure that other correspondents can add more.

HO = holdopen
BB = breechblock
bbl = barrel
GS = grip screw (not to be confused with the marking found on some Dutch Lugers)
Rcvr = receiver
FP = fring pin
TD = takedown/locking lever

Marking designations are a little more regularized.

c/[X] = a crown stamped over a letter e.g. c/N, the post-1910 commercial proof mark (two letters in the case of c/RC)
e/[X] = an eagle stamped over a letter or series of letters and numbers, e.g. e/6, e/WaA4 (sometimes the figure is a bird other than an eagle; sometimes the figure is so stylized as to be hard to recognize)
circle-s = an S inside a circle (sometimes the letter is not an S, and sometimes the figure is other than a circle, but the usage is the same)

--Dwight

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 05:05 PM

Thanks Dwight,

Those will get me a little out of the woods. I *think* I remember seeing RS and RO also.

I understand c/N and the e/WaA #s and se/ and de/, the last two being = to Spread Eagle and Droop Eagle.

I have not seen a circle-s ..... What does that mean and where is it usually found?

Hoyt

Dwight Gruber · 08-01-2005, 05:28 PM

Hoyt,

RS and RO don't ring a bell right now.

Circle-S is found on the left receiver of some Police Lugers, usually in front of the serial number stamped there. The meaning is obscure. Many--in fact, probably most--collectors assert this to be a Simson rework mark, but there is no documentation to support this.

There are many other encircled marks, signifying other meanings.

--Dwight

Hoyt Weathers · 08-01-2005, 06:18 PM

Dwight,
I was wrong. Two I just saw are FT and RL and have no earthly idea what they are.

Do you know of a website with the Luger parts diagramwith the name of each part?
That would help a lot. TKX

Hoyt

Edward Tinker · 08-01-2005, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hoyt Weathers
Do you know of a website with the Luger parts diagram with the name of each part?
Hoyt

Hoyt, yes here on this forum!

Come to www.lugerforum.com and then look under the technical section, there is a huge amount of info just on this forum, plus the many postings where you can do a search.

Also, TD is the only one I use! The rest I usually spell out...

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 08-01-2005, 08:17 PM

FT is probably Front Toggle, RL is I dunno...

--Dwight

Heinz · 08-01-2005, 09:02 PM

I think "RL" is right lung, it is part of the price of navy lugers.

Ron Wood · 08-01-2005, 10:26 PM

Thanks Heinz, that was a good belly laugh.

jimmiej · 08-02-2005, 09:18 AM

My mistake. I sent in my right leg. No wonder it took so long to get the Navy. They must have been checking the exchange rates. Jim

Ron Smith · 08-02-2005, 10:04 AM

Hoyt, RL=Recoil Lug . The lump on the bottom of the barrel.

Hoyt Weathers · 08-02-2005, 01:17 PM

Ron, I am glad to know the name of that part because one the Luger parts I am going to take macro pictures of is the RL area. The RL has an R to the right side of it and an O (oh) or a 0 (zero) to the left side of it, when looking at the bottom of the barrel.

Hoyt Weathers

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2005, 12:23 AM

Lets be gentlemen, you can go to the unmoderated area of www.gunboards.com for off-color jokes.

saxman · 08-04-2005, 09:18 AM

"Lets be gentlemen, you can go to the unmoderated area of www.gunboards.com for off-color jokes."

?

Ron Wood · 08-04-2005, 10:23 AM

saxman,
There were a series of posts in this thread, that Ed has deleted, in which the language was getting crude. Perhaps humerous to some but not the sort of thing that contributes to the forum.

Ron Smith · 08-04-2005, 10:26 AM

Shucks! I missed them.

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2005, 01:52 PM

Thank you Ron W., Ron S., I'd have to warsh your mouth out next time I fly over Oregane

saxman · 08-18-2005, 09:23 AM

Ah, so.

Hoyt Weathers · 08-22-2005, 05:40 PM

To All,

Eureka! After about three weeks, I finally got my 20DWM Commercial Luger back together this Monday afternoon. That was a B- - - - - of the first magnatude to do. I never, ever want to do that again.
I took several pictures after the installation. I will post them in a day or so.

Regards,
Hoyt Weathers

Ron Wood · 08-22-2005, 07:33 PM

Hoyt,
It is like riding a bicycle, when you have done it once it keeps getting easier. Congrats.

08-01-2005, 03:35 PM	#1
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What do these mean? Often I see various capitalized letters like HO, and others in descriptions of pistols. I think HO means hold open, but I don't have the foggiest notion about the others. It there a location where these are listed? If not, one someone please reply with the XX = something or another? Thanks, Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-01-2005, 05:05 PM	#3
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Dwight, Those will get me a little out of the woods. I think I remember seeing RS and RO also. I understand c/N and the e/WaA #s and se/ and de/, the last two being = to Spread Eagle and Droop Eagle. I have not seen a circle-s ..... What does that mean and where is it usually found? Hoyt __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-01-2005, 06:18 PM	#5
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, I was wrong. Two I just saw are FT and RL and have no earthly idea what they are. Do you know of a website with the Luger parts diagramwith the name of each part? That would help a lot. TKX Hoyt __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-01-2005, 10:26 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Thanks Heinz, that was a good belly laugh. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-02-2005, 10:04 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hoyt, RL=Recoil Lug . The lump on the bottom of the barrel. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-01-2005, 04:08 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Hoyt, Designations like this are pretty 'ad hoc', there is no real systemization and collectors use them pretty casually. Here is a listing of what occurs to me at the moment, its far from complete and I'm sure that other correspondents can add more. HO = holdopen BB = breechblock bbl = barrel GS = grip screw (not to be confused with the marking found on some Dutch Lugers) Rcvr = receiver FP = fring pin TD = takedown/locking lever Marking designations are a little more regularized. c/[X] = a crown stamped over a letter e.g. c/N, the post-1910 commercial proof mark (two letters in the case of c/RC) e/[X] = an eagle stamped over a letter or series of letters and numbers, e.g. e/6, e/WaA4 (sometimes the figure is a bird other than an eagle; sometimes the figure is so stylized as to be hard to recognize) circle-s = an S inside a circle (sometimes the letter is not an S, and sometimes the figure is other than a circle, but the usage is the same) --Dwight

08-01-2005, 05:28 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Hoyt, RS and RO don't ring a bell right now. Circle-S is found on the left receiver of some Police Lugers, usually in front of the serial number stamped there. The meaning is obscure. Many--in fact, probably most--collectors assert this to be a Simson rework mark, but there is no documentation to support this. There are many other encircled marks, signifying other meanings. --Dwight

08-01-2005, 08:17 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	FT is probably Front Toggle, RL is I dunno... --Dwight

08-01-2005, 09:02 PM	#8
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	I think "RL" is right lung, it is part of the price of navy lugers.

08-02-2005, 09:18 AM	#10
jimmiej User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 88 Thanks: 16 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	My mistake. I sent in my right leg. No wonder it took so long to get the Navy. They must have been checking the exchange rates. Jim

08-02-2005, 01:17 PM	#12
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron, I am glad to know the name of that part because one the Luger parts I am going to take macro pictures of is the RL area. The RL has an R to the right side of it and an O (oh) or a 0 (zero) to the left side of it, when looking at the bottom of the barrel. Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-04-2005, 12:23 AM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Lets be gentlemen, you can go to the unmoderated area of www.gunboards.com for off-color jokes.

08-04-2005, 09:18 AM	#14
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"Lets be gentlemen, you can go to the unmoderated area of www.gunboards.com for off-color jokes." ? __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

08-04-2005, 10:23 AM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	saxman, There were a series of posts in this thread, that Ed has deleted, in which the language was getting crude. Perhaps humerous to some but not the sort of thing that contributes to the forum. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-04-2005, 10:26 AM	#16
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Shucks! I missed them. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-04-2005, 01:52 PM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Thank you Ron W., Ron S., I'd have to warsh your mouth out next time I fly over Oregane __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-18-2005, 09:23 AM	#18
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ah, so. __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

08-22-2005, 05:40 PM	#19
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To All, Eureka! After about three weeks, I finally got my 20DWM Commercial Luger back together this Monday afternoon. That was a B- - - - - of the first magnatude to do. I never, ever want to do that again. I took several pictures after the installation. I will post them in a day or so. Regards, Hoyt Weathers __________________ "When I die, if there are no dogs in Heaven then I want to go where they are." (Will Rogers)

08-22-2005, 07:33 PM	#20
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Hoyt, It is like riding a bicycle, when you have done it once it keeps getting easier. Congrats. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction