7.65 DWM Luger ID

[damek10]

Hi,

I am new to this forum. I recently purchased a 7.65 Para Luger. At first I thought it was a typical commercial, but the seller informed me that the Luger may have come from a contract for Finland in the 1920s.

In short:

7.65 cal
98 mm barrel
Serial number: 4622
q suffix
Stock lug
GESICHERT stamp
Lazy c/N proofed
Eagle on toogle
No date marking
NO grip safety
NO Stamped GERMANY

The gun has matching numbers except for the magazine and grip. What could be the origin of my Luger and when could it have been produced? Was it refinished?

Greetings from Poland.

[HerrKaiser]

It’s at least partly an old Erfurt from WW1 that got re-worked into a post-war commercial gun, Especially the frame. Seems like large parts of the upper may have been as well. It is a very neat gun, welcome!

[Bill_in_VA]

I see parts from two, possibly three different guns, a mis-aligned barrel, and date-scrubbed artillery cannon with no/scrubbed inspection stamps. Interesting, to say the least.

[Doubs]

IMO it's a post-WW1 rework of a 9mm military Luger into a 7.65mm commercial Luger. The frame is clearly Erfurt and while the military inspection and acceptance stamps have been removed from the right side of the receiver, the serial number font on the left side of the receiver appears to match the frame and small parts font. Thus it would be a 1916 ~ 1918 Erfurt receiver that was not an Artillery receiver. (Erfurt 1914 Artillery serial numbers only reached the b block with approximately 21,000 made that year. Late 1916 through 1918 Erfurt receivers were notched IAW a military directive but were not used for Artillery model production. They were all short barrel models.) If, by chance, the receiver is actually DWM, then it would have been an Artillery model originally as DWM only notched those receivers destined to be made into an LP.08.

Conversion of military Lugers into 7.65mm commercial models was common in the years following WW!. Some, like yours, had the date scrubbed while others still retain the military date. They are generally very good shooters.

[aldo35]

There is a machined slot similar to artillery slots in receiver. what is is that? I agree it appears to be a matching numbered pistol.Looks good.Nice quality pictures

[HerrKaiser]

As doubs said, there was a German directive in 1916 that all Luger upper receivers get made with the artillery notch. Erfurt complied with the directive, DWM ignored it on non-LP.08’s.

[Edward Tinker]

Please post pictures HERE on the forum.

I can't even look at the huge ones...

[Mac Cat]

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