Four digit date mags/grips

loogee · 10-12-2008, 05:40 PM

!. Are arsenal replacement mags (s/42-marked) ever numbered to the gun ??
2. In WW2 military Lugers, when did they cease numbering the grips to the guns ?? When did they start ??
3. Is there a pattern of waffenamt-marked grips, i.e., are certain series marked, and some not ?? When started....when stopped ??
Thanx in advance for the info. loogee.

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2008, 09:02 PM

I can't answer your questions, but I am sure someone will come along who can; meanwhile, this has some good info in the FAQ;

http://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdis...s=&forumid=133

ed

Lugerdoc · 10-15-2008, 10:08 AM

Looge, It's most probable that all armour's spare mags (code 42 or S/42) left Mauser unserialized and were numbered to guns at the depot or unit level. I doubt that anyone can give you a definative answer about grip numbering at Mauser, as that appears to follow no definate pattern. TH

loogee · 10-17-2008, 09:42 AM

Thanx Tom..
Didn't see you at Loooooville.. I'm the gray-haired guy that had some P08 police mags on my table at Kansas City. L-ville was a disappoinment...small crowd...less tables. Found a few things I needed, but there didn't seem to be any $ around... Cholly.

Frank · 10-17-2008, 02:05 PM

Hi loogie, regarding Luger Grips. Generally, and I really mean generally, wooden grips on Military Mauser Lugers were numbered from 1934 (K-Dates) through mid 1935 (G-Dates), then not numbered until early 1937. Then numbered from early 1937 until early 1939 (about the end of 1939 S/42 production. The remaining 1939 production was not numbered. Numbering started again in 1940 and continued for the rest of the Luger Production (1942). Remember, I said GENERALLY!!

loogee · 10-21-2008, 12:03 AM

Hey Frank....(you look familiar....do I know you from somewhere..?? hee)
Thanx for the info....sounds rather convoluted. Interesting to find out why the stopping and starting of numbering. Any info on when the grips were waffen'd and when not ? With all the Lugers I've had I could never detect a pattern of when grips were and weren't waffen'd. Maybe Jan Still will produce a book about it.... loogee.

Frank · 10-21-2008, 09:18 AM

Hey loogie, I grew up in Minnesota and have been to Wisconsin quite a few times. Maybe we met there.

I have seen many E/655 and a few E/135 Waffenamt Marked wooden grips. I have seen maybe one example of a S/42 marked grip.

I don't have a clue why the Germans started and stopped numbering the grips like they did!!

Lugerdoc · 10-21-2008, 11:13 AM

Cholly, I've also seen a few straight winged large E/63 marked grips and some with the Gothic (1934) type "S" code. I through out my back a couple of days before the Sept Louisville show, so I did not attend, but will try to make it in Dec. TH

Aaron · 10-21-2008, 04:10 PM

The few S/42 mags I have seen have all been un-numbered.

Edward Tinker · 10-21-2008, 04:13 PM

I have sold 3 or 4 S/42 blank mags on ebay over the last 8 years and I assumed that the new owner was either wanting;

a. A blank mag to be a "replacement" mag

b. A blank to make it a matching mag....

I have seen a couple of S/42 mag's with numbers on them....

Ed

loogee · 10-24-2008, 04:13 PM

I picked up a 1939/42 in the past year that has matching #'d grips...the last two digits, and larger than number size on metal, but of similar font style. cholly.

10-12-2008, 05:40 PM	#1
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Four digit date mags/grips !. Are arsenal replacement mags (s/42-marked) ever numbered to the gun ?? 2. In WW2 military Lugers, when did they cease numbering the grips to the guns ?? When did they start ?? 3. Is there a pattern of waffenamt-marked grips, i.e., are certain series marked, and some not ?? When started....when stopped ?? Thanx in advance for the info. loogee.

10-12-2008, 09:02 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I can't answer your questions, but I am sure someone will come along who can; meanwhile, this has some good info in the FAQ; http://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdis...s=&forumid=133 ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-15-2008, 10:08 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Looge, It's most probable that all armour's spare mags (code 42 or S/42) left Mauser unserialized and were numbered to guns at the depot or unit level. I doubt that anyone can give you a definative answer about grip numbering at Mauser, as that appears to follow no definate pattern. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-21-2008, 11:13 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Cholly, I've also seen a few straight winged large E/63 marked grips and some with the Gothic (1934) type "S" code. I through out my back a couple of days before the Sept Louisville show, so I did not attend, but will try to make it in Dec. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-21-2008, 04:13 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	I have sold 3 or 4 S/42 blank mags on ebay over the last 8 years and I assumed that the new owner was either wanting; a. A blank mag to be a "replacement" mag b. A blank to make it a matching mag.... I have seen a couple of S/42 mag's with numbers on them.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-17-2008, 09:42 AM	#4
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanx Tom.. Didn't see you at Loooooville.. I'm the gray-haired guy that had some P08 police mags on my table at Kansas City. L-ville was a disappoinment...small crowd...less tables. Found a few things I needed, but there didn't seem to be any $ around... Cholly.

10-17-2008, 02:05 PM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi loogie, regarding Luger Grips. Generally, and I really mean generally, wooden grips on Military Mauser Lugers were numbered from 1934 (K-Dates) through mid 1935 (G-Dates), then not numbered until early 1937. Then numbered from early 1937 until early 1939 (about the end of 1939 S/42 production. The remaining 1939 production was not numbered. Numbering started again in 1940 and continued for the rest of the Luger Production (1942). Remember, I said GENERALLY!!

10-21-2008, 12:03 AM	#6
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey Frank....(you look familiar....do I know you from somewhere..?? hee) Thanx for the info....sounds rather convoluted. Interesting to find out why the stopping and starting of numbering. Any info on when the grips were waffen'd and when not ? With all the Lugers I've had I could never detect a pattern of when grips were and weren't waffen'd. Maybe Jan Still will produce a book about it.... loogee.

10-21-2008, 09:18 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hey loogie, I grew up in Minnesota and have been to Wisconsin quite a few times. Maybe we met there. I have seen many E/655 and a few E/135 Waffenamt Marked wooden grips. I have seen maybe one example of a S/42 marked grip. I don't have a clue why the Germans started and stopped numbering the grips like they did!!

10-21-2008, 04:10 PM	#9
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	The few S/42 mags I have seen have all been un-numbered.

10-24-2008, 04:13 PM	#11
loogee User Join Date: May 2008 Location: WI Posts: 84 Thanks: 10 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I picked up a 1939/42 in the past year that has matching #'d grips...the last two digits, and larger than number size on metal, but of similar font style. cholly.