One for Rich B.

[ithacaartist]

Hey, Master of Conversions, check this out!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIX-INCH-22-...item43d1328fc8

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Hey, Master of Conversions, check this out!

Hmmm...Re-chamber it for a shortened .223 Remington cartridge maybe...Have to find a round nose .223 bullet...

Edit: I did a couple C96's with a re-sized 30 Mauser case to take a 256 bullet. The 256 Mauser cartridge works great in C96/M30 Mausers and a TT-33 Tokarev clone. I was somewhat interested in doing a 30 Luger re-sized to take the 256 bullet but in order to maintain adequate neck length it ended up being short and stubby looking...I still have the cases lying on my bench, trying different lengths for the only RN 256 bullet I could find...

...So I'll pass on this fantastic deal...

[Diver6106]

I read it as sleeved for 22LR. BUT you must use a 22LR conversion kit bolt/ toggle. It is about 1/4" shorter than the standard toggle assembly and has a different extractor, using two lighter springs in the bolt/ toggle assembly and NOT the spring in the handle. The cheapest price I have seen on 22LR bolt/ toggles is $400+. But is the extractor cut out the right shape and does the barrel screw in and stick far enough back for the shorter bolt? THEN need to buy a 22LR magazine, running about $300+. So buying this barrel is only the beginning of cost. An expensive project that will probably cost more than buying a complete kit. But I buy these type parts and wait and shop for the missing parts, for years. I have a 22LR stripped slide and barrel kit for a P.38, still looking for a for a firing pin...

[sheepherder]

Ken/Revshop had a 20" 30 cal barreled Luger action a week or so ago...I found it mildly amusing...I saved a pic...

Hmmm...Somebody made an offer on it...Accepted...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Luger-Barrel...-/311001643683

"Gunsmith special"...Yeah!

[sheepherder]

It's always exciting to watch an Internet auction/bidding war...The tentative early bids, the feints, the feelers, the bold jump in price to scare other bidders off, the flurry of bids as the deadline approaches, and the last-minute snipes...

None of that here..."Starting bid: US $50.00 [ 0 bids ]"

I have to agree: Too much work involved here. Even if someone were to re-chamber it for a .223 Luger wildcat, they would still have to modify a set of reloading dies.

"Will clean up nicely"...I doubt that...
"Standard 12 o'clock Luger type extractor cut"...That's not the 'standard' Luger extractor cut...And the thread relief is not 'standard' for a Luger...
"6 inch .22 caliber barrel"...I'm not sure it IS .22 cal...

Doesn't conclusively look to be relined, from these pics...

Looks like a monumental PITA to me...IF it's actually .22 cal...

[sheepherder]

I'm not convinced that this is a .22LR barrel, but IF it is, it may be an enthusiast's attempt to shoot .22LR using all Luger components. Have to be single shot as the extractor notch would be for clearance only; no .22 magazine; have to use a dowel to poke out fired cases (think Liberator).

I don't know how effective a .22LR would be using a center-fire firing pin, but many many years ago I picked up the sub-caliber insert pictured below. It is smooth-bore .22LR, and the steel body is as follows:

- .470: dia body
- .354" dia neck
- 1.212 body length
- 1.735" OAL

I don't know what cartridge chamber this was intended to be used in; obviously a rifle, but way too short for the .308" Winchester.

But somebody thought it would work. It's very well made, not something turned out in a basement. I'd say production, maybe even gov't issue.

So this barrel in the eBay auction may be someone's attempt to center-fire the .22LR with 'standard' Luger pistol minus barrel.

IF it's .22LR...

[ithacaartist]

I didn't notice who the seller was until you mentioned it. I had occasion to message him about a pair of grips to ask if they had been refreshed. I added that what made me think this is that the pattern was messed up on both of them--the lines were crowded together in places and too wide in others. He responded that they were "perfect" and told me not to bid on his stuff. His offerings include many pairs of over-priced grips that have been repaired, refreshed, etc. You seem to know his first name...what's the scoop on this seller?

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I'm not convinced that this is a .22LR barrel, but IF it is, it may be an enthusiast's attempt to shoot .22LR using all Luger components. Have to be single shot as the extractor notch would be for clearance only; no .22 magazine; have to use a dowel to poke out fired cases (think Liberator).

I don't know how effective a .22LR would be using a center-fire firing pin, but many many years ago I picked up the sub-caliber insert pictured below. It is smooth-bore .22LR, and the steel body is as follows:

- .470: dia body
- .354" dia neck
- 1.212 body length
- 1.735" OAL

I don't know what cartridge chamber this was intended to be used in; obviously a rifle, but way too short for the .308" Winchester.

But somebody thought it would work. It's very well made, not something turned out in a basement. I'd say production, maybe even gov't issue.

So this barrel in the eBay auction may be someone's attempt to center-fire the .22LR with 'standard' Luger pistol minus barrel.

IF it's .22LR...

That contraption reminded me of this, although the dimensions differ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokarev_Sportowy_.22_Lr

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I didn't notice who the seller was until you mentioned it...You seem to know his first name...what's the scoop on this seller?

Beats me. I don't know him; don't know his name or his username...I don't know where you got that idea...

I did email him asking if he was sure of the caliber. I'll post his response, IF he responds.

I did notice the grips for sale; didn't look close at them. I gots lotsa grips.

As detailed in the thread about Ed's .22 Luger, I couldn't get an Erma toggle train + mag to work at all (except single shot) in a .22 barreled Luger. I'll look at this auction on Monday; if no one else bids on it, I might take a chance...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by kurusu

That contraption reminded me of this, although the dimensions differ.

It does look similar. It's definitely not 7.92 Kurz; not 7.62 x 39 Russian. Might be a .308 Winchester case shortened and formed to fire a ~.324" bullet but it's not anything I recognize. Can't be a longer cartridge (like .308 Win) or it would push too far into the chamber. Might be 8 x 57 Mauser case, shortened. Might even fit in a military bolt action rifle chamber in some way that I'm not aware of.

I'm waiting for my end mills [mail] so I'll look in COTW and see if anything looks similar...

Got this at a gun show back in the 70's or 80's.

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Ken/Revshop had...

This is the one I'm referring to. Sorry, not the seller of this barrel, who is proudfather76.

[John Sabato]

Rich, I remember seeing .22 LR sub-caliber devices like the one you have pictured at gun shows back in the 1970's... One popular caliber was .30-30 Winchester. So a deer hunter could put one in his lever action and pop a very close range rabbit of opportunity without spooking everything else in the forest.

I also remember a two piece device that attached to the end of a spear gun projectile that actually chambered a 5.56mm NATO round.

It was reportedly used by special ops types to improve the chances of dispatching an enemy diver. The round was detonated by direct impact with the target's torso. I imagine it was probably devastatingly effective. but have never seen one used in a movie, or heard about a real-life story where the device was employed.

[Diver6106]

The fitting on the end of a spear was/ is called a bang stick or power head. It comes in a number of calibers, from 22LR to 12 gauge shot shell. It was designed to use against a shark attack and now is used for gator hunting. While you could use it against a diver, we never had these in the teams, nor spear guns. But a revolver can be carried under water and is effective if used right up against an enemy or even a shark. At 3-6 feet, the bullet has lost all power.
https://www.billsbangsticks.com/

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Ken/Revshop had a 20" 30 cal barreled Luger action a week or so ago...I found it mildly amusing...

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I didn't notice who the seller was until you mentioned it...what's the scoop on this seller?

Revshop has some interesting/controversial items now & then...Try a Search here for Prior Lake, Ken Kontos, or revshop...He's a member here, I believe...

I have nothing negative to say about him/them...Just that some of his/their auctions are interesting...or amusing...or both...

At least I think a 20" x 1" 30 cal Luger barrel is amusing...

[Ben M.]

better use it for making peace pipe

[sheepherder]

I have a long barreled Luger project waiting for machine time right now...I had a thread up about it, but I think I may have deleted it...Here's two pics from it [below]...

The amusing part is that without extensive lightening, the barrel won't recoil...The gripframe will fore-coil...

You'd have to hold revshop's 20" barreled action/pistol in two hands to shoot...And instead of your front hand going back, your pistol-gripping hand will travel forward...

I think that is hilarious...

[sheepherder]

I got this reply today from the seller -

Dear proudfather76,

Hello!

I have to say, I am somewhat skeptical of this being .22 caliber. The profile and the muzzle pics look like 30 Luger/7,65 Parabellum caliber. Is it actually .22 caliber???

Do you have a pic of the chamber end???

Thank you for your help!

-- Rich B.


Dear Rich B.

Yep, my eyeballs were telling the truth, it's still a .22, no matter how many times I look at it. You are being fooled by it's looks in the picture because it is scaled down. It's nowhere near as big as it looks in the photo. Camera app is not cooperating, sorry.

- proudfather76

So...You pays you money, and you takes you chances...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Hey, Master of Conversions, check this out!

Sir; I don't think I like your tone...

[ithacaartist]

[sheepherder]

Nobody wants it???

No bids; 28 hrs left...

Tell you what...If one of you guys buys it, I'll install it on your Luger receiver, gratis. Remove old barrel, screw/torque on .22 barrel.

I'm not at all interested in it myself. The last one was too much trouble.

Edit: But I am mildly interested in seeing if a .22LR rimfire will fire with a center-fire strike...I'm going to make a .22LR 'barrel insert' for a 4" Luger barrel...No extractor; no ejector; no feed ramp...Poke fired case out with a wooden dowel...

Something like the Erma barrel insert but simpler; single shot; no magazine feed...I have a couple pieces of leftover M16 barrel here somewhere; that should be 'good enough'...

I'll post pics as soon as I get my lathe saddle free of work...