Ebay 1915 holster came today.

Ron Smith · 06-15-2004, 11:15 PM

I got this via UPS today. I won it on ebay. The sellers photos were lousy and barely any discription. I just had that gut feeling not to pass it up.I'm glad I did'nt. I've been looking for a nice holster to go with my minty 1915 DWM.
It's dark brown with orange stitching. Stamped under flap "FLATOW & PRIEMER BERLIN 1915". It has a combination pin punch? and tool pocket.Beautifull cond. Three stiches have come loose on left side of flap. Everything else is sound. Now I need to find a nice tool and punch. Ron

Edward Tinker · 06-15-2004, 11:24 PM

Nice Ron, although I believe the orange is because someone applied brown at one time to make it look nicer?

Ed

Ron Smith · 06-15-2004, 11:31 PM

Ed, I suppose that's possible, but they must have submerged it. All of the stitching is the same color. Inside and out. I'm probably going to send it to Jerry for a minor stitching repair,cleaning and buffing.

Ron

Ron Wood · 06-15-2004, 11:42 PM

You will find some early military holsters with this orange thread. The thread was soaked in Mercurochrome (merbromin), an antiseptic, which was intended to prevent mold and bacterial deterioration and prolong the life of the stitching in less than favorable conditions. Evidently it worked pretty well. (I hope Jerry Burney can back me up on this.) At any rate, I think your holster is totally original, properly stitched and a nice find. Congratulations.

Edward Tinker · 06-15-2004, 11:46 PM

Good to know! Didn't know that, thanks Ron and even better for you Ron!

ed

Ron Smith · 06-16-2004, 12:04 AM

Ron, I was trying to pin down that smell. That's it! The holster reeks of it. When I opened the box, that was the first thing I smelled. Did they emerse them in it, I wonder?

Thanks! Ron
Ed , I was'nt sure whether it had been dyed or not. I suspected it. The price was right and I figured Jerry could remedy most of it.
Ron

Ron Wood · 06-16-2004, 12:14 AM

Ron-The-Younger,
As far as I know, only the thread was treated. I do not think leather would respond well to being soaked in Mercurochrome.
Ron-The-Ancient

Ron Smith · 06-16-2004, 12:21 AM

Ron-The-Learned,

Thankyou!

Ron-The-Student

lugerholsterrepair · 06-17-2004, 09:52 AM

Both Ron's..Yes, Ron is correct. The thread was treated and for the reasons he states.
Ron, beautiful holster..rare to find these old Imperials in such great condition. Congratulations.The date indicates a military but that is at odds with the interior tool pocket and pin punch pocket.I don't believe I have ever seen one quite like it. Very unusual.The offset closure stud is really odd. Anyone else ever seen this configuration? Jerry Burney

John Sabato · 06-17-2004, 10:18 AM

I have never seen on like it... and the offset closure stud is very unusual. I don't see any evidence (stretching or creases) that indicate that this pocket ever held a takedown/loading tool?

Ron Smith · 06-17-2004, 10:30 AM

Jerry and John, Just discovered that there has never been a tool in the pocket. Because...a tool won't fit in the pocket. At least not a conventional tool. It won't slide in far enough to close the flap. It appears that at one time or other, it has had a punch or? In the lower pocket.Could there be another purpose for it?

Ron

Lugerdoc · 06-17-2004, 10:32 AM

Ed, Nice find. I do have original DWM mag loading tools and pin punches available @$25 each. Lugerdoc

Ron Smith · 06-17-2004, 11:20 AM

Was just thinking(ouch!!) Could it be possible that the flap, was designed for an Artillery holster,(sight tool and pin punch).And inadvertently put on a P.08 holster,instead of an LP.08 holster or as war time expedient? Just a thought.

Ron

06-15-2004, 11:15 PM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ebay 1915 holster came today. I got this via UPS today. I won it on ebay. The sellers photos were lousy and barely any discription. I just had that gut feeling not to pass it up.I'm glad I did'nt. I've been looking for a nice holster to go with my minty 1915 DWM. It's dark brown with orange stitching. Stamped under flap "FLATOW & PRIEMER BERLIN 1915". It has a combination pin punch? and tool pocket.Beautifull cond. Three stiches have come loose on left side of flap. Everything else is sound. Now I need to find a nice tool and punch. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-15-2004, 11:24 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Nice Ron, although I believe the orange is because someone applied brown at one time to make it look nicer? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-15-2004, 11:31 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, I suppose that's possible, but they must have submerged it. All of the stitching is the same color. Inside and out. I'm probably going to send it to Jerry for a minor stitching repair,cleaning and buffing. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-15-2004, 11:42 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	You will find some early military holsters with this orange thread. The thread was soaked in Mercurochrome (merbromin), an antiseptic, which was intended to prevent mold and bacterial deterioration and prolong the life of the stitching in less than favorable conditions. Evidently it worked pretty well. (I hope Jerry Burney can back me up on this.) At any rate, I think your holster is totally original, properly stitched and a nice find. Congratulations. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-15-2004, 11:46 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Good to know! Didn't know that, thanks Ron and even better for you Ron! ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-16-2004, 12:04 AM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ron, I was trying to pin down that smell. That's it! The holster reeks of it. When I opened the box, that was the first thing I smelled. Did they emerse them in it, I wonder? Thanks! Ron Ed , I was'nt sure whether it had been dyed or not. I suspected it. The price was right and I figured Jerry could remedy most of it. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-16-2004, 12:14 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Ron-The-Younger, As far as I know, only the thread was treated. I do not think leather would respond well to being soaked in Mercurochrome. Ron-The-Ancient __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-16-2004, 12:21 AM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ron-The-Learned, Thankyou! Ron-The-Student __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-17-2004, 09:52 AM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,868 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Both Ron's..Yes, Ron is correct. The thread was treated and for the reasons he states. Ron, beautiful holster..rare to find these old Imperials in such great condition. Congratulations.The date indicates a military but that is at odds with the interior tool pocket and pin punch pocket.I don't believe I have ever seen one quite like it. Very unusual.The offset closure stud is really odd. Anyone else ever seen this configuration? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-17-2004, 10:18 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I have never seen on like it... and the offset closure stud is very unusual. I don't see any evidence (stretching or creases) that indicate that this pocket ever held a takedown/loading tool? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-17-2004, 10:30 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jerry and John, Just discovered that there has never been a tool in the pocket. Because...a tool won't fit in the pocket. At least not a conventional tool. It won't slide in far enough to close the flap. It appears that at one time or other, it has had a punch or? In the lower pocket.Could there be another purpose for it? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-17-2004, 10:32 AM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ed, Nice find. I do have original DWM mag loading tools and pin punches available @$25 each. Lugerdoc __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-17-2004, 11:20 AM	#13
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Was just thinking(ouch!!) Could it be possible that the flap, was designed for an Artillery holster,(sight tool and pin punch).And inadvertently put on a P.08 holster,instead of an LP.08 holster or as war time expedient? Just a thought. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...