anybody know this luger?

tomaustin · 05-09-2011, 10:43 PM

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DavidJayUden · 05-09-2011, 11:01 PM

Is that Himmler?

tomaustin · 05-10-2011, 12:16 AM

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saab-bob · 05-10-2011, 12:42 AM

Yup,that is Heinrich Himmler Reichsführer of the SS.
I notice he has a limp wrist-ed shooting stance.

I think the gent? on the left is SS General Sep Dietrich.

Interesting pic,thanks.

Bob

Fazer · 05-10-2011, 03:01 AM

That can't be Himmler, I saw his luger for sale and it was chrome with pearl grips. Thats definatly not it in the picture.

alanint · 05-10-2011, 06:24 AM

The stance was a typical shooting stance of the time. Interesting that Himmler was left handed. He was probably visitng an SS training camp at the time. Definetly not Sepp Dietrich, who was more pug faced and sported a small moustache.

mcg · 05-10-2011, 08:29 AM

I wonder if they enjoy meeting O.B.Laden in Hell.
If this is inappropriate, I'm sorry....
Mark

John Sabato · 05-10-2011, 08:41 AM

I have seen this photo before and seen paper copies of it sold on ebay.... I have never heard of a Luger for sale that was reported to be Himmler's ... since he took his own life, I would guess that who ever cleaned up after him took possession of it... It would be a valuable collectible if there were bonafide provenance...

lugerholsterrepair · 05-10-2011, 10:27 AM

John, Idoubt this or any other Luger belonged to Himmler. It was likely a borrowed range weapon. These High Party Officials were fond of much smaller pistols.

saab-bob · 05-10-2011, 11:48 AM

Alanint
You are correct!
That stern faced man is actually Josef "Sepp" Kiermann.He was Himmler's personal bodyguard.
Here is another pic on th same day, with a little better view of the luger.

I remember a recent thread with a gold plated Walther PPK engraved with Himmlers name ,that was supposed to have been owned by him. Wasn't it for sale?

EB

DavidJayUden · 05-10-2011, 12:39 PM

Odd that he wears his watch on the left arm and shoots left handed.
dju

Olle · 05-10-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Odd that he wears his watch on the left arm and shoots left handed.
dju

I noticed that too, and the way the belt buckle is turned also indicates that he was right handed. Could be that he's just posing to get a nicer picture.

Ron Wood · 05-10-2011, 02:04 PM

He could also be left eye dominant

DavidJayUden · 05-10-2011, 03:40 PM

Would a left-eye shooter shoot a pistol left handed or simply crank their head over a bit further to the right and shoot with their strong arm?
We deal with this in high school trap all the time, but options are limited with the long guns.
dju

alanint · 05-10-2011, 03:46 PM

Well, I'm left handed and both shoot with my left hand and wear a watch on the left wrist. My belt buckle, however, is worn lefty. You wonder what happened with some of these well placed but lesser thugs after the war? Can you imagine "Himmler's personal bodyguard" on your resume?
Sadly, they all seemed to find takers for their particular talents.

kapnkd · 05-10-2011, 03:54 PM

Hmmmn?!?!? ...Would he simply be practicing left handed shooting for the possibility of being prepared in case of an injury to his right hand/arm??? Could the photo have been propaganda to show he was ever so capable in shooting with both hands???

(A good thought for all of us, it is a good practice to always be prepared regardless of who you are.)

guns3545 · 05-10-2011, 06:56 PM

Or he thought that it was a good idea to emulate his boss. Imitation is supposed to be the "sincerest" form of flattery.

Or maybe they were actually scoring and he had to shoot left handed as a handicap to his boss who was naturally left handed. Heavens forbid that he would outscore Himmler.

Guys, this was the Nazi era where everyone lived in fear of "offending" someone who was in power. The Nazi era was only surpassed in this fear and paranoia by the Stalinist era in the Soviet Union.

John

SteveM · 05-10-2011, 07:55 PM

I wear my watch on the left wrist(face inside wrist)and shoot left handed. I shoot long guns right handed. Seems perfectly natural to me..

Olle · 05-10-2011, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapnkd

Hmmmn?!?!? ...Would he simply be practicing left handed shooting for the possibility of being prepared in case of an injury to his right hand/arm??? Could the photo have been propaganda to show he was ever so capable in shooting with both hands???

(A good thought for all of us, it is a good practice to always be prepared regardless of who you are.)

Or it could just be the photographer saying: "Hey, hold the gun in your left hand instead, it will look better from this angle".

Who knows, could be a combination of everything said in this thread. The bottom line is that Himmler carried an HSc, a guy tried to sell it to me just a couple of months ago at a show. I passed and told him to call me when he has found Hitler's PPK.

sheepherder · 05-10-2011, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olle

I passed and told him to call me when he has found Hitler's PPK.

I'm waiting for Kaiser Bill's Borchardt...

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saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Yup,that is Heinrich Himmler Reichsführer of the SS. I notice he has a limp wrist-ed shooting stance. I think the gent? on the left is SS General Sep Dietrich. Interesting pic,thanks. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The stance was a typical shooting stance of the time. Interesting that Himmler was left handed. He was probably visitng an SS training camp at the time. Definetly not Sepp Dietrich, who was more pug faced and sported a small moustache. Last edited by alanint; 05-10-2011 at 03:41 PM.

05-10-2011, 08:41 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I have seen this photo before and seen paper copies of it sold on ebay.... I have never heard of a Luger for sale that was reported to be Himmler's ... since he took his own life, I would guess that who ever cleaned up after him took possession of it... It would be a valuable collectible if there were bonafide provenance... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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Fazer Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Perth, West Oz Posts: 93 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	That can't be Himmler, I saw his luger for sale and it was chrome with pearl grips. Thats definatly not it in the picture.

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mcg Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 91 Thanks: 260 Thanked 29 Times in 21 Posts	I wonder if they enjoy meeting O.B.Laden in Hell. If this is inappropriate, I'm sorry.... Mark

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05-10-2011, 11:48 AM	#10
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Alanint You are correct! That stern faced man is actually Josef "Sepp" Kiermann.He was Himmler's personal bodyguard. Here is another pic on th same day, with a little better view of the luger. I remember a recent thread with a gold plated Walther PPK engraved with Himmlers name ,that was supposed to have been owned by him. Wasn't it for sale? EB Attached Thumbnails __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

05-10-2011, 12:39 PM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Odd that he wears his watch on the left arm and shoots left handed. dju

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Would a left-eye shooter shoot a pistol left handed or simply crank their head over a bit further to the right and shoot with their strong arm? We deal with this in high school trap all the time, but options are limited with the long guns. dju

05-10-2011, 03:46 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Well, I'm left handed and both shoot with my left hand and wear a watch on the left wrist. My belt buckle, however, is worn lefty. You wonder what happened with some of these well placed but lesser thugs after the war? Can you imagine "Himmler's personal bodyguard" on your resume? Sadly, they all seemed to find takers for their particular talents.

05-10-2011, 03:54 PM	#16
kapnkd User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: South East Michigan (But...NOT Detroit!) Posts: 7 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmmmn?!?!? ...Would he simply be practicing left handed shooting for the possibility of being prepared in case of an injury to his right hand/arm??? Could the photo have been propaganda to show he was ever so capable in shooting with both hands??? (A good thought for all of us, it is a good practice to always be prepared regardless of who you are.)

05-10-2011, 06:56 PM	#17
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 437 Thanks: 655 Thanked 492 Times in 218 Posts	Or he thought that it was a good idea to emulate his boss. Imitation is supposed to be the "sincerest" form of flattery. Or maybe they were actually scoring and he had to shoot left handed as a handicap to his boss who was naturally left handed. Heavens forbid that he would outscore Himmler. Guys, this was the Nazi era where everyone lived in fear of "offending" someone who was in power. The Nazi era was only surpassed in this fear and paranoia by the Stalinist era in the Soviet Union. John

05-10-2011, 07:55 PM	#18
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	I wear my watch on the left wrist(face inside wrist)and shoot left handed. I shoot long guns right handed. Seems perfectly natural to me..