Found a nice swiss pouch

Vlim · 09-23-2005, 01:47 PM

At a gathering in Belgium:

It's the steel version with a small proofmark on the body. The leather pouch bears the logo of a sattler in Zollbruck ( name ending with ...garten, difficult to read) and a number '18' on the back.

Came complete with cloth wipes and a full grease can.

Looked good to me and the price was interesting, to say the least.

Vlim · 09-23-2005, 02:03 PM

Also had the chance to pick up some different 7.65 / 30 Luger rounds.

the gunman · 09-23-2005, 04:28 PM

Very nice Gerben . I beleive the steel version is the hard one to find.

Steve Richards · 09-23-2005, 08:11 PM

They should make a very nice addition to your collection. Nice find!

Steve

Pete Ebbink · 09-23-2005, 08:15 PM

Hi Gerben,

I have been told the black steel version came out around 1949...at the end of the M1929 luger series, but in time for the SIG pistol.

Or was steel replaced for brass during WWII...???

Do you or other members have more info. that establishes what I have heard as factual ?

mauro · 09-24-2005, 03:16 AM

Hi Gerben,
Really good find.
As you know, I have just moved in Belgium and I do not know retailers or Gun Sellers in this area so far.
May be you can help me about this matter.
Have fun.
Ciao
Mauro

Vlim · 09-24-2005, 06:00 AM

Hi Pete,

I really don't know. Steel is a bit easier to obtain than brass, but don't know if the Swiss encountered supply problems during any of both wars. Steel is also cheaper, so it might have been just a budget decision somewhere along the road. They also did their best to cut costs on Swiss Parabellum production, so I'm thinking towards that direction.

Both the lid and the body have Swiss cross marks.

Mauro:
I did get the gentleman's address, as he had quite a bit of nice Swiss trinkets lying about.

pisto · 09-27-2005, 05:58 PM

Hi Gerben,
I have no idea either, but
Rutsch`` s book is saying steel cleaning kits were used during WWI to save brass.

Vlim · 09-28-2005, 06:05 AM

Roland,

Interesting. The number on the back of the pouches. Is that an issue date or just an inventory / registration number?

pisto · 09-28-2005, 11:59 AM

Gerben,
normally it is an issue ore date of producinge , together with the makers name. I have not seen only the issue date without the maker. This is an example of one of my pouches made in 1915 :
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/simg0018.jpg

09-23-2005, 01:47 PM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,038 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,895 Times in 1,189 Posts	Found a nice swiss pouch At a gathering in Belgium: It's the steel version with a small proofmark on the body. The leather pouch bears the logo of a sattler in Zollbruck ( name ending with ...garten, difficult to read) and a number '18' on the back. Came complete with cloth wipes and a full grease can. Looked good to me and the price was interesting, to say the least.

09-24-2005, 03:16 AM	#6
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Gerben, Really good find. As you know, I have just moved in Belgium and I do not know retailers or Gun Sellers in this area so far. May be you can help me about this matter. Have fun. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

09-23-2005, 02:03 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,038 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,895 Times in 1,189 Posts	Also had the chance to pick up some different 7.65 / 30 Luger rounds.

09-23-2005, 04:28 PM	#3
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Very nice Gerben . I beleive the steel version is the hard one to find.

09-23-2005, 08:11 PM	#4
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	They should make a very nice addition to your collection. Nice find! Steve

09-23-2005, 08:15 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Gerben, I have been told the black steel version came out around 1949...at the end of the M1929 luger series, but in time for the SIG pistol. Or was steel replaced for brass during WWII...??? Do you or other members have more info. that establishes what I have heard as factual ?

09-24-2005, 06:00 AM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,038 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,895 Times in 1,189 Posts	Hi Pete, I really don't know. Steel is a bit easier to obtain than brass, but don't know if the Swiss encountered supply problems during any of both wars. Steel is also cheaper, so it might have been just a budget decision somewhere along the road. They also did their best to cut costs on Swiss Parabellum production, so I'm thinking towards that direction. Both the lid and the body have Swiss cross marks. Mauro: I did get the gentleman's address, as he had quite a bit of nice Swiss trinkets lying about.

09-27-2005, 05:58 PM	#8
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Gerben, I have no idea either, but Rutsch`` s book is saying steel cleaning kits were used during WWI to save brass.

09-28-2005, 06:05 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,038 Thanks: 1,021 Thanked 3,895 Times in 1,189 Posts	Roland, Interesting. The number on the back of the pouches. Is that an issue date or just an inventory / registration number?

09-28-2005, 11:59 AM	#10
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gerben, normally it is an issue ore date of producinge , together with the makers name. I have not seen only the issue date without the maker. This is an example of one of my pouches made in 1915 : http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/simg0018.jpg