Mag serial number

les y · 12-20-2011, 03:26 PM

Hi guys,

I have the opportunity to pick up an all matching 1940, code 42 luger, each individual serial number on the mag appears to have been stamped at at an angle. Anyone seen numbers like this before, or could it be a sloppy attempt to force match a mag to a gun.
The pic is the only one I have from the seller.

Les

aptech77 · 12-20-2011, 03:47 PM

Looks ok to me.

wlyon · 12-20-2011, 05:00 PM

Hard to tell from the picture but looks almost like an overstamp? Bill

cirelaw · 12-20-2011, 05:42 PM

I have a 1937 Kreigholl with duel matching serial number and one numeral ais a very small escew, Il try posting it tommorow. To me yours is fine! Congrads Eric

deepdarkwoodsman · 12-20-2011, 05:57 PM

From what you have shown us, it looks authentic to me.

The numbers are the correct size and font and I see no signs of scrubbing or grinding of the magazine base. I have seen these guns with straight numbers and those that are slanted. If the rest of the gun is as nice, you have a quality piece.

Doug

lugerholsterrepair · 12-20-2011, 06:18 PM

I'm with Bill on this one..Looks like an overstamp. Does the C Suffix match the pistol?
I would want to look at this with good light and super magnification.
Also compare the font with the pistol.

alanint · 12-20-2011, 06:26 PM

I'll wager that the last digit, (1) looks a little messed with because it was dinged at the same time as the damage seen right above and to the right of it.
Dropping a full mag base first on gravel or other uneven surface would give you this type of multiple strikes.
I think it's ok, just "slightly damaged"

cirelaw · 12-20-2011, 06:43 PM

I agree with the Floridas opinions. Some one may have dropped the gun landing on the heaviest part of the gun, the mag base! It wasn't put there on purpose. If anything it ads to its credibility!

cirelaw · 12-20-2011, 06:56 PM

to my 1937 Krieghoff, Absent the dent the numbers are not perfect. I still beleive his is legit. Who make the copies?

les y · 12-21-2011, 07:42 AM

Many thanks for the replies

Les

sheepherder · 12-21-2011, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlyon

Hard to tell from the picture but looks almost like an overstamp? Bill

+ 1

I'm with bill on this call...Very well done, but a 'forced match'...

alanint · 12-21-2011, 09:48 AM

It would help to see the font on the balance of the pistol....

Ron Wood · 12-21-2011, 10:13 AM

I will be the first to admit that WWII Lugers are out of my area of interest, but I do not see any evidence of overstamp or alteration. The numbers are stamped very deeply and cockeyed, but the font is OK and there isn't any indication that the base has been ground down. It looks like it probably was hand stamped or misaligned in a jig, but I think the numbering is contemporary with the magazine. Could someone more attuned to this era Luger point out what I may be missing? Thanks.

Norme · 12-21-2011, 10:13 AM

I'm sorry to have to disagree with my colleagues, but this mag looks legit to me. As you can see from the enclosed photo, irregular number placement is not uncommon. Magazine numbers were applied by hand after proof firing, that way, if the pistol failed proof, Mauser would not have to discard two perfectly good magazines. Regards, Norm

les y · 12-21-2011, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

It would help to see the font on the balance of the pistol....

as requested

Sorry about the quality of the second pic, it's all I have meantime

alanint · 12-21-2011, 10:52 AM

I still think it is correct. The numbers were struck deeper at the top due to the curvature of the mag bottom and I still think there is a ding in the number 1.

It also follows the norm that the one matching mag is usually the "+" marked spare.

tharpo · 12-21-2011, 11:26 AM

The magazine looks good to me. Compare to another 1940 mag in the "d" block with 3 of the same numbers.
Tom

John Sabato · 12-21-2011, 11:51 AM

One of the things I love about this forum is that we are very capable of taking opposing points of view and discussing the situation with good manners and an open mind.

With that said, I will have to say that Tharpo's post has convinced me that the magazine is legitmate...

Prior to Tharpo's comparison photo to a very close serial number in the next series (d) ... it appeared in my opinion to possibly be an overstamp that as was stated earlier looker "very well done"... but I would have to jump off the fence with those on the "genuine" side now...

Thanks Tharpo...

... and Eric,... your Krieghoff magazine is what you expect in a Kriefhoff... a perfect example of quality workmanship. Slanted numbers and all... after all the numbers are applied by hand, not a machine...

lugerholsterrepair · 12-21-2011, 12:08 PM

John..Yes.."things I love about this forum " They are many.

Better photo's prooved to tell the tale. At first it looked overstamped but with better photo's ....all is well.

Nice pistol!

sheepherder · 12-21-2011, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Better photo's prooved to tell the tale. At first it looked overstamped but with better photo's ....all is well.

Nice pistol!

I am reversing my opinion as well, after seeing Tharpo's mag with similar features...

Does anyone know what kind of fixture (if any) was used to hold the mag while being stamped??? I am thinking some kind of saddle bracket maybe, to hold the mag by the 'ears' while it's being hit...Seems to me any kind of free-hand whack(s) would bend the feed lips...

12-20-2011, 03:26 PM	#1
les y User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mag serial number Hi guys, I have the opportunity to pick up an all matching 1940, code 42 luger, each individual serial number on the mag appears to have been stamped at at an angle. Anyone seen numbers like this before, or could it be a sloppy attempt to force match a mag to a gun. The pic is the only one I have from the seller. Les Attached Thumbnails

12-20-2011, 05:00 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,625 Thanks: 3,165 Thanked 2,544 Times in 949 Posts	Hard to tell from the picture but looks almost like an overstamp? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-20-2011, 06:18 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	I'm with Bill on this one..Looks like an overstamp. Does the C Suffix match the pistol? I would want to look at this with good light and super magnification. Also compare the font with the pistol. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-20-2011, 06:56 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Heres One Of My Matching Mags to my 1937 Krieghoff, Absent the dent the numbers are not perfect. I still beleive his is legit. Who make the copies? Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2011, 10:13 AM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	I will be the first to admit that WWII Lugers are out of my area of interest, but I do not see any evidence of overstamp or alteration. The numbers are stamped very deeply and cockeyed, but the font is OK and there isn't any indication that the base has been ground down. It looks like it probably was hand stamped or misaligned in a jig, but I think the numbering is contemporary with the magazine. Could someone more attuned to this era Luger point out what I may be missing? Thanks. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-20-2011, 03:47 PM	#2
aptech77 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 85 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Looks ok to me.

12-20-2011, 05:42 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I have a 1937 Kreigholl with duel matching serial number and one numeral ais a very small escew, Il try posting it tommorow. To me yours is fine! Congrads Eric

12-20-2011, 05:57 PM	#5
deepdarkwoodsman User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post	From what you have shown us, it looks authentic to me. The numbers are the correct size and font and I see no signs of scrubbing or grinding of the magazine base. I have seen these guns with straight numbers and those that are slanted. If the rest of the gun is as nice, you have a quality piece. Doug

12-20-2011, 06:26 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I'll wager that the last digit, (1) looks a little messed with because it was dinged at the same time as the damage seen right above and to the right of it. Dropping a full mag base first on gravel or other uneven surface would give you this type of multiple strikes. I think it's ok, just "slightly damaged"

12-20-2011, 06:43 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I agree with the Floridas opinions. Some one may have dropped the gun landing on the heaviest part of the gun, the mag base! It wasn't put there on purpose. If anything it ads to its credibility!

12-21-2011, 07:42 AM	#10
les y User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Many thanks for the replies Les

12-21-2011, 09:48 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It would help to see the font on the balance of the pistol....

12-21-2011, 10:13 AM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	I'm sorry to have to disagree with my colleagues, but this mag looks legit to me. As you can see from the enclosed photo, irregular number placement is not uncommon. Magazine numbers were applied by hand after proof firing, that way, if the pistol failed proof, Mauser would not have to discard two perfectly good magazines. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

12-21-2011, 10:52 AM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I still think it is correct. The numbers were struck deeper at the top due to the curvature of the mag bottom and I still think there is a ding in the number 1. It also follows the norm that the one matching mag is usually the "+" marked spare.

12-21-2011, 11:26 AM	#17
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 541 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	The magazine looks good to me. Compare to another 1940 mag in the "d" block with 3 of the same numbers. Tom Attached Images

12-21-2011, 11:51 AM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	One of the things I love about this forum is that we are very capable of taking opposing points of view and discussing the situation with good manners and an open mind. With that said, I will have to say that Tharpo's post has convinced me that the magazine is legitmate... Prior to Tharpo's comparison photo to a very close serial number in the next series (d) ... it appeared in my opinion to possibly be an overstamp that as was stated earlier looker "very well done"... but I would have to jump off the fence with those on the "genuine" side now... Thanks Tharpo... ... and Eric,... your Krieghoff magazine is what you expect in a Kriefhoff... a perfect example of quality workmanship. Slanted numbers and all... after all the numbers are applied by hand, not a machine... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-21-2011, 12:08 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	John..Yes.."things I love about this forum " They are many. Better photo's prooved to tell the tale. At first it looked overstamped but with better photo's ....all is well. Nice pistol! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."