black fxo magazine bases

lugercollector · 08-03-2002, 08:47 PM

I have several late war fxo luger mags with chipped bases...anyone know where I can find replacements???I need three...thanks.....

Lonnie Zimmerman · 08-03-2002, 09:21 PM

I believe this has come up before and the answer seemed to be; lotsa luck. If you find some, please let me know, as I could use 4.
Lonnie

Herb · 08-03-2002, 10:06 PM

If you are not overly concerned with authenticity, give Mec-Gar a try, they are really well made magazines. Your can see them at
http://www.mec-gar.it/prodotti/product.html and buy them at
http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Pro...ar/mecgar.html They are really well made and have the black plastic base but in the navy style. A little sanding and polishing should take care of that then you can install them on your original mags or use them as is.

Hugh · 08-04-2002, 01:19 AM

Herb,

The Meg-Gar bases will not work in the fxo type mags as they are identical to the earlier design of mag bases. The two types are completely different.

I concur with Lonnie, if you find a source let me know! Numrich has them, but they are cheap pieces of junk. I tried one and they are a waste of money. <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />

Lugerdoc · 08-04-2002, 09:56 AM

Peter et al, Hugh is correct, in that no one is currently making an black plastic bottom for Schmeisser type mags that looks and fits decently. Your best bet, if you can find someone who is good with plastics, to repair the chips. Best done with the base on the mag, as if you don't know what your doing, you will destroy the base, trying to remove the retaining pin. Tom H.

Roadkill · 08-04-2002, 10:24 AM

I've never tried this on a Luger base, but I'd try it if someone would send me one to experiment on. Works well on butt plates on rifles, ect. So experiment first. Find a plastic with the color that matches the the item needing repair, a softer type if possible. Then cut it up in very small pieces. Put it in a blender and shred to as small as possible. Mix up a good epoxy, stir it up in a small container being very heavy on the plastic side , then use a popsicle stick to apply to busted area, leaving a whole lot of excess. Don't even try to shape it, jut slop it on. Then let dry for several days. Next step is to take a dremel tool and shape it using which ever attachment that works best the way you want it. Then polyurethane it. I've had a few excellent results and lots of adequate presentable ones.
Fixed a lot of butt plates that way. Isn't this considered "boosting" ?

RK

lugercollector · 08-06-2002, 01:21 AM

Thanks for the help gentlemen....it seems tough to find these things...Peter...

John Sabato · 08-06-2002, 02:09 PM

How much do these things run when you DO find them?

Idea #1: Perhaps one of our forum members that has an expertise in molding or casting might be convinced to produce injection molded plastic or cast aluminum bottoms that could then be hand fitted to the extruded FXO type mags?

Anyone out there with this kind of expertise?

Idea #2:

Question for Tom Heller: would it be possible that the original manufacturer of the East German extruded mags might still have this type of mag bottom available or maybe could produce a small run of them?

LP08 · 08-08-2002, 12:39 AM

There are many plastic modeling techniques and materials that might work. Years ago, I saw some modelers putting baking soda on a joint on a 1/72 airplane then adding drops of cyanoacrylate glue. It foamed up and formed a hard filler plastic, although white in color, that could be ground and shaped. Black carbon dust or dye might help.

Also, plastic filler material can be bought.

Another oldtime trick of plastic modelers is to grind up plastic in the color you want and mix it with acetone. It will form a soft plastic that does not work easily but that is a suitable filler and is easy to make. It may shrink on drying so you always add more than you need on the first application.

Lugerdoc · 08-08-2002, 10:08 AM

John S, I doubt that the E.Germans made any BP Bottoms for FXO mags, as all that I've seen were aluminum with the pin holes drilled off center. I'd be happy to sell these for $10 each, as this is what most collectors are trying to replace. Also the EGs shut down their PO8 parts production by the mid 1950s. I've been attempting to obtain some EG P08 spare parts out of Germany since last January without success. Tom H.

saxman · 08-08-2002, 06:43 PM

I really am a sax man, that's why I can tell you about a product that you would not normally know about. A musical instrument tool maker called 'Ferree's' makes a two-component black epoxy for the repair of Ebonite clarinets and mouthpieces called 'Jet Magic', catalog #G-20. About $17.00 for the set. This will definitely repair any black plastic, Bakelite or hard rubber item.
Ferree's has a web site - look for 'Ferree's Tool'

G.W. Gill · 08-09-2002, 02:06 AM

I am going to put Saxman's product on my resource list. I have an old FXO mag that was crunched. The base was cracked cleanly, then I glued it and put it on an E German mag (2/1001). The mag does not seat deaply enough to catch or function, however , it is perfect for display. I believe I glued correctly. Has anyone else experienced this? I was wondering if the E German extruded mags were slightly off, or if the repairman (Me) was off.

Lugerdoc · 08-09-2002, 10:23 AM

Saxman (your last name isn't Clinton, is it?), Thanks for the Jetmagic tip. To get your FXO type mag to lock into a particular luger, you may have to open up the locking notch on the side of the tube. Tom H.

John Sabato · 08-09-2002, 12:02 PM

[quote] G.W. Gill I am going to put Saxman's product on my resource list. I have an old FXO mag that was crunched. The base was cracked cleanly, then I glued it and put it on an E German mag (2/1001). The mag does not seat deaply enough to catch or function, however , it is perfect for display. I believe I glued correctly. Has anyone else experienced this? I was wondering if the E German extruded mags were slightly off, or if the repairman (Me) was off.
Lugerdoc Saxman (your last name isn't Clinton, is it?), Thanks for the Jetmagic tip. To get your FXO type mag to lock into a particular luger, you may have to open up the locking notch on the side of the tube. Tom H.
<hr></blockquote>

G.W. Gill, If the mag will function if held in place with your hand during the firing cycle, then I would also recommend opening the mag latch hole very slowly with a small file until the latch works. If it does not function properly when held in place then I think the problem may be the replacement mag bottom may fit too high causing the notch hole to be too low... The only cures for that problem would be a better fit on the mag bottom, or just use the mag with a different Luger where the fit is better...

-just my $0.02

Hugh · 08-09-2002, 12:18 PM

I am ordering some of the Jet Magic and will post repair results when I get it. <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" />

ESU · 08-09-2002, 06:32 PM

Along these lines what is the proper base for an fxo mag ? I have one with an aluminum base and one thats copper . Should the alum one be numbered ? Or should it be a black plastic base ? One just auctioned on ebay , it was fxo , really mint with a blk plastic/bakelite base and advertised as for a black widow luger , went for close to 200 bux.

Frank · 08-10-2002, 11:24 AM

Cory, if the magazine is marked "fxo", it also is marked P08 on the side, near the spine (or flat narrow side) close to the bottom. If the "8" in P08 is closest to the bottom, the bottom should be aluminum and marked with the pistol serial number. If the "P" is closest to the bottom, the bottom could be either aluminum or black plastic. Black plastic bottoms are not marked and the aluminum bottoms could be either marked or unmarked. [img]wink.gif[/img]

08-03-2002, 10:06 PM	#3
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If you are not overly concerned with authenticity, give Mec-Gar a try, they are really well made magazines. Your can see them at http://www.mec-gar.it/prodotti/product.html and buy them at http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Pro...ar/mecgar.html They are really well made and have the black plastic base but in the navy style. A little sanding and polishing should take care of that then you can install them on your original mags or use them as is. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-04-2002, 01:19 AM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Herb, The Meg-Gar bases will not work in the fxo type mags as they are identical to the earlier design of mag bases. The two types are completely different. I concur with Lonnie, if you find a source let me know! Numrich has them, but they are cheap pieces of junk. I tried one and they are a waste of money. <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-04-2002, 09:56 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Peter et al, Hugh is correct, in that no one is currently making an black plastic bottom for Schmeisser type mags that looks and fits decently. Your best bet, if you can find someone who is good with plastics, to repair the chips. Best done with the base on the mag, as if you don't know what your doing, you will destroy the base, trying to remove the retaining pin. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-06-2002, 02:09 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	How much do these things run when you DO find them? Idea #1: Perhaps one of our forum members that has an expertise in molding or casting might be convinced to produce injection molded plastic or cast aluminum bottoms that could then be hand fitted to the extruded FXO type mags? Anyone out there with this kind of expertise? Idea #2: Question for Tom Heller: would it be possible that the original manufacturer of the East German extruded mags might still have this type of mag bottom available or maybe could produce a small run of them? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-08-2002, 10:08 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	John S, I doubt that the E.Germans made any BP Bottoms for FXO mags, as all that I've seen were aluminum with the pin holes drilled off center. I'd be happy to sell these for $10 each, as this is what most collectors are trying to replace. Also the EGs shut down their PO8 parts production by the mid 1950s. I've been attempting to obtain some EG P08 spare parts out of Germany since last January without success. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-03-2002, 08:47 PM	#1
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	black fxo magazine bases I have several late war fxo luger mags with chipped bases...anyone know where I can find replacements???I need three...thanks.....

08-03-2002, 09:21 PM	#2
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I believe this has come up before and the answer seemed to be; lotsa luck. If you find some, please let me know, as I could use 4. Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Zimmerman

08-04-2002, 10:24 AM	#6
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	I've never tried this on a Luger base, but I'd try it if someone would send me one to experiment on. Works well on butt plates on rifles, ect. So experiment first. Find a plastic with the color that matches the the item needing repair, a softer type if possible. Then cut it up in very small pieces. Put it in a blender and shred to as small as possible. Mix up a good epoxy, stir it up in a small container being very heavy on the plastic side , then use a popsicle stick to apply to busted area, leaving a whole lot of excess. Don't even try to shape it, jut slop it on. Then let dry for several days. Next step is to take a dremel tool and shape it using which ever attachment that works best the way you want it. Then polyurethane it. I've had a few excellent results and lots of adequate presentable ones. Fixed a lot of butt plates that way. Isn't this considered "boosting" ? RK

08-06-2002, 01:21 AM	#7
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Thanks for the help gentlemen....it seems tough to find these things...Peter...

08-08-2002, 12:39 AM	#9
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There are many plastic modeling techniques and materials that might work. Years ago, I saw some modelers putting baking soda on a joint on a 1/72 airplane then adding drops of cyanoacrylate glue. It foamed up and formed a hard filler plastic, although white in color, that could be ground and shaped. Black carbon dust or dye might help. Also, plastic filler material can be bought. Another oldtime trick of plastic modelers is to grind up plastic in the color you want and mix it with acetone. It will form a soft plastic that does not work easily but that is a suitable filler and is easy to make. It may shrink on drying so you always add more than you need on the first application.

08-08-2002, 06:43 PM	#11
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I really am a sax man, that's why I can tell you about a product that you would not normally know about. A musical instrument tool maker called 'Ferree's' makes a two-component black epoxy for the repair of Ebonite clarinets and mouthpieces called 'Jet Magic', catalog #G-20. About $17.00 for the set. This will definitely repair any black plastic, Bakelite or hard rubber item. Ferree's has a web site - look for 'Ferree's Tool' __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

08-09-2002, 02:06 AM	#12
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am going to put Saxman's product on my resource list. I have an old FXO mag that was crunched. The base was cracked cleanly, then I glued it and put it on an E German mag (2/1001). The mag does not seat deaply enough to catch or function, however , it is perfect for display. I believe I glued correctly. Has anyone else experienced this? I was wondering if the E German extruded mags were slightly off, or if the repairman (Me) was off.

08-09-2002, 10:23 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Saxman (your last name isn't Clinton, is it?), Thanks for the Jetmagic tip. To get your FXO type mag to lock into a particular luger, you may have to open up the locking notch on the side of the tube. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-09-2002, 12:02 PM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	[quote] G.W. Gill I am going to put Saxman's product on my resource list. I have an old FXO mag that was crunched. The base was cracked cleanly, then I glued it and put it on an E German mag (2/1001). The mag does not seat deaply enough to catch or function, however , it is perfect for display. I believe I glued correctly. Has anyone else experienced this? I was wondering if the E German extruded mags were slightly off, or if the repairman (Me) was off. Lugerdoc Saxman (your last name isn't Clinton, is it?), Thanks for the Jetmagic tip. To get your FXO type mag to lock into a particular luger, you may have to open up the locking notch on the side of the tube. Tom H. <hr></blockquote> G.W. Gill, If the mag will function if held in place with your hand during the firing cycle, then I would also recommend opening the mag latch hole very slowly with a small file until the latch works. If it does not function properly when held in place then I think the problem may be the replacement mag bottom may fit too high causing the notch hole to be too low... The only cures for that problem would be a better fit on the mag bottom, or just use the mag with a different Luger where the fit is better... -just my $0.02 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-09-2002, 12:18 PM	#15
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I am ordering some of the Jet Magic and will post repair results when I get it. <img src="graemlins/bigok.gif" border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-09-2002, 06:32 PM	#16
ESU User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NY Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Along these lines what is the proper base for an fxo mag ? I have one with an aluminum base and one thats copper . Should the alum one be numbered ? Or should it be a black plastic base ? One just auctioned on ebay , it was fxo , really mint with a blk plastic/bakelite base and advertised as for a black widow luger , went for close to 200 bux.

08-10-2002, 11:24 AM	#17
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Cory, if the magazine is marked "fxo", it also is marked P08 on the side, near the spine (or flat narrow side) close to the bottom. If the "8" in P08 is closest to the bottom, the bottom should be aluminum and marked with the pistol serial number. If the "P" is closest to the bottom, the bottom could be either aluminum or black plastic. Black plastic bottoms are not marked and the aluminum bottoms could be either marked or unmarked. [img]wink.gif[/img]