Moderating the moderators

hayhugh · 11-18-2018, 07:12 AM

The other day I posted a topic I thought would be of interest of the group. The taking of guns without due process. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=39091

Two moderators were not completely of topic but off on a medical tangent. During their medical pissing contest the moderator struct verbal blood on the super moderator and to retaliate the super moderator canceled the discussion...Made no sense to me when other members might still have opinions on the original gun confiscation process. But hey, I am not a moderator.

Vlim · 11-18-2018, 08:01 AM

Perhaps it is better to discuss this in the moderator forum with the moderators involved.

No need for another pissing contest.

hayhugh · 11-18-2018, 08:08 AM

One would hope the moderators would do that rather then cancel the topic.…….

DonVoigt · 11-18-2018, 10:34 AM

The subject may just be too close to "political" to belong in the luger forum, JMHO.

hayhugh · 11-18-2018, 11:09 AM

If taking your guns away does not belong in this forum - then where?

Sieger · 11-18-2018, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hayhugh

One would hope the moderators would do that rather then cancel the topic.…….

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Originally Posted by Vlim

Perhaps it is better to discuss this in the moderator forum with the moderators involved.

No need for another pissing contest.

Vlim,

We have no access to such a forum on the "regular" site in the USA.

Perhaps it would cool tempers if we did.

Sieger

sheepherder · 11-18-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hayhugh

If taking your guns away does not belong in this forum - then where?

This Forum is not a democracy. It is a benevolent dictatorship. The Site Owner, John Dunkle, owns the Forum and decides the rules. You agreed to abide by them when you joined.

You might voice your dissatisfaction with this forums policies directly to the Site Owner. I believe he is the one who 'moderates the moderators'.

Not taking any sides here. Just sayin'...

4 Scale · 11-18-2018, 12:33 PM

Personally I don't visit the forum to read political opinions on anything and welcome any political thread on any topic be closed. I would guess that some assume, incorrectly, that because we are all firearm owners that we are all of one view regarding all aspects of all things relating to firearms laws. That is absurd in a forum with more than two or three members and especially true for a forum this large. As the closed thread demonstrates.

Because reasonable people may disagree on virtually any law or related topic, any thread discussing firearms laws is per se political. The rules say no political threads. I think it is a good rule and believe we are all best served by following it.

The reason is practical. If I start/participate in a political thread, someone may disagree. If we get into an argument it may cause hard feelings. Hard feelings may decrease future cooperation on exchanging information. I visit to exchange information; allowing political discussions is to allow what will almost certainly become obstacles to member cooperation.

I have been a political columnist and follow politics pretty closely and love to discuss as much as anyone. But in some settings it is best not to discuss due to risk of ill will. This forum is IMO one such setting.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-18-2018, 12:58 PM

Hugh, Just start another thread. I apologize..I should not have brought up such a sensative subject. Apparently it hits too close to home for comfort and you are correct. It became off topic.
But Remember you don't have to be on a southern plantation to be a slave, if you are dependent on government entitlements, you just have a different slave owner.

gunbugs · 11-18-2018, 01:20 PM

What he said....

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Originally Posted by 4 Scale

Personally I don't visit the forum to read political opinions on anything and welcome any political thread on any topic be closed. I would guess that some assume, incorrectly, that because we are all firearm owners that we are all of one view regarding all aspects of all things relating to firearms laws. That is absurd in a forum with more than two or three members and especially true for a forum this large. As the closed thread demonstrates.

Because reasonable people may disagree on virtually any law or related topic, any thread discussing firearms laws is per se political. The rules say no political threads. I think it is a good rule and believe we are all best served by following it.

The reason is practical. If I start/participate in a political thread, someone may disagree. If we get into an argument it may cause hard feelings. Hard feelings may decrease future cooperation on exchanging information. I visit to exchange information; allowing political discussions is to allow what will almost certainly become obstacles to member cooperation.

I have been a political columnist and follow politics pretty closely and love to discuss as much as anyone. But in some settings it is best not to discuss due to risk of ill will. This forum is IMO one such setting.

Norme · 11-18-2018, 02:51 PM

The nice thing about political discussion is it tends to whittle down attendance at Thanksgiving dinner. Our family was getting too big for comfort, so when my wife and her brother had that little political row 10 years ago it eased crowding at table by two. Unfortunately our daughter made up for it by having three kids, so when our son announced that he had become a vegan and would not enter a house "where flesh is served" we could hardly contain our glee.
Happy Thanksgiving to one and all, Norm

sheepherder · 11-18-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

...so when our son announced that he had become a vegan and would not enter a house "where flesh is served" we could hardly contain our glee.

...

...

"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian"...

"Salad??? That's what food eats!"...

lugerholsterrepair · 11-18-2018, 04:26 PM

According to a study in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, which cites the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the United Nations International Study on Firearms Regulation, the more guns a nation has, the less criminal activity.
Read more at https://www.beliefnet.com/news/artic...8z5QpObodWb.99

Edward Tinker · 11-18-2018, 11:47 PM

That thread had simply gone it’s course.
If you read our rules, political discussions are usually nuked.
My good friend Jerry and I can disagree and we agree on many subjects.

hayhugh · 11-19-2018, 04:49 AM

The topic had over one post every hour for 14 hours (18 total) didn't seem to be running out of steam until you stated: jerry, yes, you were lecturing me. I have a decent education and can read and understand, just because you think different, doesn't make you right.

and closed the post...….

Vlim · 11-19-2018, 06:17 AM

Please stop this. It's going nowhere and serves no purpose.

DonVoigt · 11-19-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

Please stop this. It's going nowhere and serves no purpose.

Sure it does, Hugh is PO'd and venting; I expect it makes him feel better.

Edward Tinker · 11-19-2018, 12:17 PM

Hugh, I’ve had a very tough month, if you desire to test my patience, you’ll find it is VERY short.

You vented, now drop it. Please

Edward Tinker · 11-19-2018, 01:12 PM

See this —— http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=26526

DonVoigt · 11-19-2018, 03:54 PM

Ed,
maybe you should highlight, or Bold it in the stickies- and move it to the top.

11-18-2018, 07:12 AM	#1
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 848 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	Moderating the moderators The other day I posted a topic I thought would be of interest of the group. The taking of guns without due process. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=39091 Two moderators were not completely of topic but off on a medical tangent. During their medical pissing contest the moderator struct verbal blood on the super moderator and to retaliate the super moderator canceled the discussion...Made no sense to me when other members might still have opinions on the original gun confiscation process. But hey, I am not a moderator. Last edited by hayhugh; 11-18-2018 at 07:13 AM. Reason: add the word "day"

11-18-2018, 10:34 AM	#4
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	The subject may just be too close to "political" to belong in the luger forum, JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-18-2018, 12:58 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Hugh, Just start another thread. I apologize..I should not have brought up such a sensative subject. Apparently it hits too close to home for comfort and you are correct. It became off topic. But Remember you don't have to be on a southern plantation to be a slave, if you are dependent on government entitlements, you just have a different slave owner. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know." Last edited by lugerholsterrepair; 11-18-2018 at 04:24 PM.

11-18-2018, 04:26 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	According to a study in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, which cites the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the United Nations International Study on Firearms Regulation, the more guns a nation has, the less criminal activity. Read more at https://www.beliefnet.com/news/artic...8z5QpObodWb.99 __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-19-2018, 03:54 PM	#20
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Ed, maybe you should highlight, or Bold it in the stickies- and move it to the top. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-18-2018, 08:01 AM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Perhaps it is better to discuss this in the moderator forum with the moderators involved. No need for another pissing contest.

11-18-2018, 08:08 AM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 848 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	One would hope the moderators would do that rather then cancel the topic.…….

11-18-2018, 11:09 AM	#5
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 848 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	If taking your guns away does not belong in this forum - then where?

11-18-2018, 12:33 PM	#8
4 Scale User Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 544 Thanks: 194 Thanked 489 Times in 251 Posts	Personally I don't visit the forum to read political opinions on anything and welcome any political thread on any topic be closed. I would guess that some assume, incorrectly, that because we are all firearm owners that we are all of one view regarding all aspects of all things relating to firearms laws. That is absurd in a forum with more than two or three members and especially true for a forum this large. As the closed thread demonstrates. Because reasonable people may disagree on virtually any law or related topic, any thread discussing firearms laws is per se political. The rules say no political threads. I think it is a good rule and believe we are all best served by following it. The reason is practical. If I start/participate in a political thread, someone may disagree. If we get into an argument it may cause hard feelings. Hard feelings may decrease future cooperation on exchanging information. I visit to exchange information; allowing political discussions is to allow what will almost certainly become obstacles to member cooperation. I have been a political columnist and follow politics pretty closely and love to discuss as much as anyone. But in some settings it is best not to discuss due to risk of ill will. This forum is IMO one such setting.

11-18-2018, 02:51 PM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,414 Thanks: 224 Thanked 2,591 Times in 930 Posts	The nice thing about political discussion is it tends to whittle down attendance at Thanksgiving dinner. Our family was getting too big for comfort, so when my wife and her brother had that little political row 10 years ago it eased crowding at table by two. Unfortunately our daughter made up for it by having three kids, so when our son announced that he had become a vegan and would not enter a house "where flesh is served" we could hardly contain our glee. Happy Thanksgiving to one and all, Norm

11-18-2018, 11:47 PM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	That thread had simply gone it’s course. If you read our rules, political discussions are usually nuked. My good friend Jerry and I can disagree and we agree on many subjects.

11-19-2018, 04:49 AM	#15
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 848 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	The topic had over one post every hour for 14 hours (18 total) didn't seem to be running out of steam until you stated: jerry, yes, you were lecturing me. I have a decent education and can read and understand, just because you think different, doesn't make you right. and closed the post...….

11-19-2018, 06:17 AM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Please stop this. It's going nowhere and serves no purpose.

11-19-2018, 12:17 PM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Hugh, I’ve had a very tough month, if you desire to test my patience, you’ll find it is VERY short. You vented, now drop it. Please

11-19-2018, 01:12 PM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	See this —— http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=26526