Artillery sees light of day after 47 years

Anfanger · 03-28-2015, 12:07 AM

Hello all.
New member with a collection of Lugers recently acquired.
Here's some pix of my Artillery.
The Lugers haven't been in fresh air for 47 years. I'm still putting together photo files of the rest.
I have "Lugers at Random" by C. Kenyon, and have been using that to ID my Lugers.
I believe this is a 1914 DWM Artillery, manuf. 1917. I have no matching magazine(s).
Jerry has a bunch of my holsters and is working his magic on them.
I don't plan to sell anything at this time.
Thanks for the great forum.
~John

DavidJayUden · 03-28-2015, 08:09 AM

8" barrel?
dju

Anfanger · 03-28-2015, 09:10 AM

Yes, 8" barrel. My reference is Kenyon, pg. 171.

Edward Tinker · 03-28-2015, 09:23 AM

nice

Kenyon is good, but very old, some errors in it. I still use it, but don't buy just any book either - some good reviews here on the forum.

What other lugers you have? This is a nice arty, I only have one and its been reblued

Ed

Anfanger · 03-28-2015, 10:01 AM

1906 American Eagle, 4 3/4" barrel
1906 Royal Portuguese Army
1906 Navy, First Issue, Altered
1908 Military, First Issue, re-barreled to 10"

1914 Artillery DWM
1914 Navy, manufactured 1916, re-barreled to 12"

1914 Military, Erfurt, fully engraved with gold inlay, gold Stag and gold Eagle, by Sam Kinemuchi who worked for Ken Eyster at Heritage Gunsmiths in Centerburg, OH
1920 Commercial
1920 Carbine, DWM, no front stock, no grip safety, least amount of original blue in collection. "Parts Carbine"???
1934 Code S/42 manuf. 1938, Navy Property marked, 1 matching magazine, British proofs
1934 Code byf manuf. 1941, re-barreled 8"

1936 Stamped "36" Krieghoff Suhl, original dark brown "Ritzmann" plastic grips
1970 Mauser Interarms American Eagle .30 Luger, 6" barrel, in presentation case, with Mauser firing test target paper and order receipt.
1993 Mitchell Arms American Eagle, stainless steel P.08, complete NIB

I used Kenyon to ID these, so hopefully I'm close. Also got the Navy list and some info from "Norme">

All are numbers matching. Some were purchased from Ralph Shuttack 45+ years ago. I'm working to piece together as much of the acquisition history as I can from old paperwork.

alanint · 03-28-2015, 10:18 AM

"Sam Kinemuchi who worked for Ken Eyster at Heritage Gunsmiths in Centerburg, OH"

I can't believe I'm hearing that name after all these years! We used to visit Ken Eyster's shop quite a bit when I was in college in the late 1970's. Sam is/was? one of the most talented hand engravers in the world, as far as I'm concerned!

Anfanger · 03-28-2015, 11:35 AM

i recently spoke with Jim Eyster, and he doesn't have Sam's contact info, but he believes Sam is alive and in his early eighties.

I know engraved military pieces aren't everyone's cup of tea, but this Erfurt by Sam is exceptionally engraved. I will post pix in a new thread later.

alanint · 03-28-2015, 01:03 PM

Ken once had a profusely engraved and gold inlaid, (typical oak leaf pattern), Walther PPK, which someone had commissioned as a replica Nazi presentation piece and then never picked up. This was Sam's work and was exquisite, but the reproduction Nazi symbolism made the pistol a hard sell. It sat there in his front case for all the years I visited the shop.

Ken let me fire the first .44 magnum I ever shot. Right out the back door of his shop.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-28-2015, 02:41 PM

John, It's a beauty! I have a real passion for the Artillery, Navy and Carbines. Any stocked pistol really..
If you ever consider selling your 1920 Carbine, DWM, no front stock, no grip safety, least amount of original blue in collection. "Parts Carbine"??? Please keep me in mind. I have lots to trade too if you ever want to put together an Artillery rig..Stock, holster etc.

Anfanger · 03-30-2015, 06:56 PM

Thanks Jerry. Don't plan on selling any just yet, I may eventually consider some trading...I'm just too new to collecting Lugers to fine tune my focus, but with all the wonderful help and info here, I'm sure that will happen.
Can you educate me about which arty holster should be mated with this Luger...the black one or brown one that I sent you for restoration?

lugerholsterrepair · 03-30-2015, 07:31 PM

John, The brown is by far the better of the two...Then you will need all the attachment leathers and a stock!

Lyn Islaub · 04-03-2015, 12:50 PM

Nice Luger, beautiful camera work and what a collection!!

Anfanger · 04-03-2015, 09:33 PM

Would someone with restoration knowledge take a close look at pix #3 and #4, and tell me if there is anything that can be done to improve the metal surface that shows a kind of splotchy-ness? That must be from age and is probably some kind of corrosion, but it doesn't look deeply pitted, or rusty brown. I'm sure there is a name for it, but I'm ignorant of that. Enlighten me.
Thanks,
~John

DavidJayUden · 04-03-2015, 09:54 PM

Depends. If you are a seller, then it is called patina. If you are a buyer it is called rust.
To me a course cloth and gun oil is where you start, then go towards the very finest steel wool with a generous coating of oil, being very cautions as you go. There may be a bronze or brass pad that is even less aggressive than 00000 steel wool.
Let's see what the others say.
dju

ithacaartist · 04-04-2015, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Depends. If you are a seller, then it is called patina. If you are a buyer it is called rust.
To me a course cloth and gun oil is where you start, then go towards the very finest steel wool with a generous coating of oil, being very cautions as you go. There may be a bronze or brass pad that is even less aggressive than 00000 steel wool.
Let's see what the others say.
dju

I agree, with emphasis on the oil. The rust you're removing is abrasive, so you want to change out whatever you're using for a pad quite often, so that the finish, which you want to keep, gets the gentlest treatment.

Anfanger · 04-07-2015, 07:15 PM

Is this what is known as "frost"?

lugerholsterrepair · 04-07-2015, 08:56 PM

John, Frosting is generally found in a barrel/bore. VERY fine corrosion caused by early corrosive ammunition.

03-28-2015, 12:07 AM	#1
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	Artillery sees light of day after 47 years Hello all. New member with a collection of Lugers recently acquired. Here's some pix of my Artillery. The Lugers haven't been in fresh air for 47 years. I'm still putting together photo files of the rest. I have "Lugers at Random" by C. Kenyon, and have been using that to ID my Lugers. I believe this is a 1914 DWM Artillery, manuf. 1917. I have no matching magazine(s). Jerry has a bunch of my holsters and is working his magic on them. I don't plan to sell anything at this time. Thanks for the great forum. ~John Attached Thumbnails __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

03-28-2015, 10:01 AM	#5
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	1906 American Eagle, 4 3/4" barrel 1906 Royal Portuguese Army 1906 Navy, First Issue, Altered 1908 Military, First Issue, re-barreled to 10" 1914 Artillery DWM 1914 Navy, manufactured 1916, re-barreled to 12" 1914 Military, Erfurt, fully engraved with gold inlay, gold Stag and gold Eagle, by Sam Kinemuchi who worked for Ken Eyster at Heritage Gunsmiths in Centerburg, OH 1920 Commercial 1920 Carbine, DWM, no front stock, no grip safety, least amount of original blue in collection. "Parts Carbine"??? 1934 Code S/42 manuf. 1938, Navy Property marked, 1 matching magazine, British proofs 1934 Code byf manuf. 1941, re-barreled 8" 1936 Stamped "36" Krieghoff Suhl, original dark brown "Ritzmann" plastic grips 1970 Mauser Interarms American Eagle .30 Luger, 6" barrel, in presentation case, with Mauser firing test target paper and order receipt. 1993 Mitchell Arms American Eagle, stainless steel P.08, complete NIB I used Kenyon to ID these, so hopefully I'm close. Also got the Navy list and some info from "Norme"> All are numbers matching. Some were purchased from Ralph Shuttack 45+ years ago. I'm working to piece together as much of the acquisition history as I can from old paperwork. __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

03-28-2015, 11:35 AM	#7
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	i recently spoke with Jim Eyster, and he doesn't have Sam's contact info, but he believes Sam is alive and in his early eighties. I know engraved military pieces aren't everyone's cup of tea, but this Erfurt by Sam is exceptionally engraved. I will post pix in a new thread later. __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

03-28-2015, 02:41 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	John, It's a beauty! I have a real passion for the Artillery, Navy and Carbines. Any stocked pistol really.. If you ever consider selling your 1920 Carbine, DWM, no front stock, no grip safety, least amount of original blue in collection. "Parts Carbine"??? Please keep me in mind. I have lots to trade too if you ever want to put together an Artillery rig..Stock, holster etc. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-30-2015, 06:56 PM	#10
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	Thanks Jerry. Don't plan on selling any just yet, I may eventually consider some trading...I'm just too new to collecting Lugers to fine tune my focus, but with all the wonderful help and info here, I'm sure that will happen. Can you educate me about which arty holster should be mated with this Luger...the black one or brown one that I sent you for restoration? __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

03-28-2015, 08:09 AM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	8" barrel? dju

03-28-2015, 09:10 AM	#3
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	Yes, 8" barrel. My reference is Kenyon, pg. 171. __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

03-28-2015, 09:23 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	nice Kenyon is good, but very old, some errors in it. I still use it, but don't buy just any book either - some good reviews here on the forum. What other lugers you have? This is a nice arty, I only have one and its been reblued Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-28-2015, 10:18 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	"Sam Kinemuchi who worked for Ken Eyster at Heritage Gunsmiths in Centerburg, OH" I can't believe I'm hearing that name after all these years! We used to visit Ken Eyster's shop quite a bit when I was in college in the late 1970's. Sam is/was? one of the most talented hand engravers in the world, as far as I'm concerned!

03-28-2015, 01:03 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Ken once had a profusely engraved and gold inlaid, (typical oak leaf pattern), Walther PPK, which someone had commissioned as a replica Nazi presentation piece and then never picked up. This was Sam's work and was exquisite, but the reproduction Nazi symbolism made the pistol a hard sell. It sat there in his front case for all the years I visited the shop. Ken let me fire the first .44 magnum I ever shot. Right out the back door of his shop.

03-30-2015, 07:31 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	John, The brown is by far the better of the two...Then you will need all the attachment leathers and a stock! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-03-2015, 12:50 PM	#12
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Nice Luger, beautiful camera work and what a collection!!

04-03-2015, 09:33 PM	#13
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	Would someone with restoration knowledge take a close look at pix #3 and #4, and tell me if there is anything that can be done to improve the metal surface that shows a kind of splotchy-ness? That must be from age and is probably some kind of corrosion, but it doesn't look deeply pitted, or rusty brown. I'm sure there is a name for it, but I'm ignorant of that. Enlighten me. Thanks, ~John __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

04-03-2015, 09:54 PM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Depends. If you are a seller, then it is called patina. If you are a buyer it is called rust. To me a course cloth and gun oil is where you start, then go towards the very finest steel wool with a generous coating of oil, being very cautions as you go. There may be a bronze or brass pad that is even less aggressive than 00000 steel wool. Let's see what the others say. dju

04-07-2015, 07:15 PM	#16
Anfanger User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Near Cincinnati Posts: 23 Thanks: 93 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts	patina Is this what is known as "frost"? __________________ "So row well, and live." ~Quintus Arrius

04-07-2015, 08:56 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	John, Frosting is generally found in a barrel/bore. VERY fine corrosion caused by early corrosive ammunition. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."