1882 W+F Swiss Revolver

panda · 12-28-2003, 06:22 AM

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Some time ago, I posted a picture of this non-military civil 1882 W+F Swiss revolver:

<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/Rev_1882.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/Rev_1882.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

see:
http://forums.lugerforum.com/cgi-bin/lugerforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t= 000010

I've still not been able to figure out whether this revolver was an official one or whether it was a private one.
I got the holster which I believe is the original one. Unlike military holsters, there is not strip for holding spare cartridges.

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/holster1882.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/holster1882.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Inside there is a partly vanished marking:

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insidei.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insidei.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

<a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insideii.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insideii.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

Can anyone derive something from these holster and marking?

There is no marking on the outside of the holster.

Thanks, Panda

panda · 12-28-2003, 09:15 AM

OK Mr. Tacfoley,

I probably didn't express myself very clearly.

When I meant non-military, I meant that it wasn't issued to the army but to civilians. It is absolutely correct that the 1882 was designed for a military purpose to replace the much to heavy 1878 revolver. (Once you've held an 1878 in one hand and an 1882 in your other hand you'll notice that it's not just the barrel that is longer :->&gt

Although it's not what I'm after but since you raise the issue, the W+F 1882 was still issued to the troops (non-officers) after the CH Parabelum 1900 and 1906 had been introduced (for officers). The 1882 was then replaced by the simplified 1882/29 revolver and issued to the troops simultaneously with the 1906/29 Parabellum.

And all these guns, although designed for military purposes as rightfully pointed out, were also produced for purely civil uses (officials like police as well as purely private) as the one shown above, the civil serial numbers starting with a P- (not to be mistaken with the privatisation P stamped onto the military guns that were issued to the retiring soldiers). However, the corresponding civil holsters of the revolvers were sometimes different (as shown above) to the ordinance holsters.

The question remains: was this revolver issued to officials (police or else) or not?

panda · 12-28-2003, 01:01 PM

I don't have the answer and now I'm getting confused too.

I'll try to say it differently:
This gun was for sure never used as a military gun because it has no military serial number but a civil one (starting with a P-). That being said, it is virtually identical (except for the marking) to a military M1882. Got me so far?

Civil 1882 revolvers were issued both to non-military authorities (like police, customs...) and to private individuals, for example for leisure shooting or any other purpose for which someone would want to buy a gun.

Now, my question is: can anyone tell whether this gun was used by civil authorities?

My mother tongue is not English but I hope this time my question was comprehensible.

panda · 12-28-2003, 01:45 PM

I've posted the same question on another forum as well.

http://pub18.ezboard.com/ftheswissri...picID=52.topic

Pete Ebbink · 12-29-2003, 12:49 AM

Hello Panda,

Here is a photo from the Horst Rutsch book, "Faustfeuerwaffen Der Eidgenossen", on page 133...without the cartidge holders...

Another photo from the Christain Reinhart book, "Pistolen und Revovler der Schwiez' on page 176...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

panda · 12-29-2003, 07:04 AM

Exactly my point Pete.
The closure flaps shown in Rutsch & in Reinhart are different to mine (back and side not sewed together and no front part either). The question is: has anyone ever seen one like mine and if so to whom were they issued?

12-28-2003, 06:22 AM	#1
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1882 W+F Swiss Revolver Hi everyone! <img border="0" alt="[byebye]" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" /> Some time ago, I posted a picture of this non-military civil 1882 W+F Swiss revolver: <a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/Rev_1882.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/Rev_1882.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> see: http://forums.lugerforum.com/cgi-bin/lugerforum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=22;t= 000010 I've still not been able to figure out whether this revolver was an official one or whether it was a private one. I got the holster which I believe is the original one. Unlike military holsters, there is not strip for holding spare cartridges. <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/holster1882.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/holster1882.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Inside there is a partly vanished marking: <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insidei.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insidei.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insideii.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/insideii.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Can anyone derive something from these holster and marking? There is no marking on the outside of the holster. Thanks, Panda

12-28-2003, 09:15 AM	#2
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK Mr. Tacfoley, I probably didn't express myself very clearly. When I meant non-military, I meant that it wasn't issued to the army but to civilians. It is absolutely correct that the 1882 was designed for a military purpose to replace the much to heavy 1878 revolver. (Once you've held an 1878 in one hand and an 1882 in your other hand you'll notice that it's not just the barrel that is longer :->&gt Although it's not what I'm after but since you raise the issue, the W+F 1882 was still issued to the troops (non-officers) after the CH Parabelum 1900 and 1906 had been introduced (for officers). The 1882 was then replaced by the simplified 1882/29 revolver and issued to the troops simultaneously with the 1906/29 Parabellum. And all these guns, although designed for military purposes as rightfully pointed out, were also produced for purely civil uses (officials like police as well as purely private) as the one shown above, the civil serial numbers starting with a P- (not to be mistaken with the privatisation P stamped onto the military guns that were issued to the retiring soldiers). However, the corresponding civil holsters of the revolvers were sometimes different (as shown above) to the ordinance holsters. The question remains: was this revolver issued to officials (police or else) or not?

12-28-2003, 01:01 PM	#3
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't have the answer and now I'm getting confused too. I'll try to say it differently: This gun was for sure never used as a military gun because it has no military serial number but a civil one (starting with a P-). That being said, it is virtually identical (except for the marking) to a military M1882. Got me so far? Civil 1882 revolvers were issued both to non-military authorities (like police, customs...) and to private individuals, for example for leisure shooting or any other purpose for which someone would want to buy a gun. Now, my question is: can anyone tell whether this gun was used by civil authorities? My mother tongue is not English but I hope this time my question was comprehensible.

12-28-2003, 01:45 PM	#4
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've posted the same question on another forum as well. http://pub18.ezboard.com/ftheswissri...picID=52.topic

12-29-2003, 12:49 AM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Panda, Here is a photo from the Horst Rutsch book, "Faustfeuerwaffen Der Eidgenossen", on page 133...without the cartidge holders... Another photo from the Christain Reinhart book, "Pistolen und Revovler der Schwiez' on page 176... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-29-2003, 07:04 AM	#6
panda User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 148 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Exactly my point Pete. The closure flaps shown in Rutsch & in Reinhart are different to mine (back and side not sewed together and no front part either). The question is: has anyone ever seen one like mine and if so to whom were they issued?