Krieghoff Being Auctioned

Mauser720 · 12-14-2007, 07:25 PM

Below is a link to a Krieghoff that is being auctioned with a starting bid of $10,000.00. This is way out of my league; however, I thought others might enjoy seeing it and commenting on its authenticity, etc.

http://www.ioinc.us/12142007eFlyer.pdf

Mauser720 - Ron

LugerVern · 12-14-2007, 08:56 PM

This gun is beautiful, but this makes me worry, I am so paranoid with the pretty guns, having seen so many fakes lately, so take this lightly.

The gun appears to have been re-blued at some point, several of the edges are rounded, note the right side railing and the 881 on the barrel looks hand done not stamped. The strawing is too good, there is some ware just in front of the side plate; this should not have bluing in it. I donÃ¢??t like the looks of the Ã¢??9Ã¢?Â in the date stamp. I also donÃ¢??t like the looks of the front barrel band. The edge above the sear bar shows blued pitting.

Positive notes:
This gun has been taken care of; note the grease, the high intensity lighting can play tricks. The heat treating is pretty clear on the ramps. Is it a real HKÃ¢??I think it is, could it have been re-blued there is at least a chance that it has been professionally restored.

Is it worth $10,000 dollars Ã¢??I will leave that up to the bidders

The people who photographed this gun may have done more harm than good; everything I noted may not even be a problem. This should enlist a few comments however

Thanks for Posting

Vern

drbuster · 12-15-2007, 01:33 AM

This is a prime example, in my opinion, of a high priced luger that has to be examined personally to draw any definite conclusions. Krieghoffs were more highly polished at the factory than other contemporary Mauser lugers and some I have examined that looked refinished to me were found to be original by "experts".

LugerVern · 12-15-2007, 10:23 AM

I agree DR, 100%
No way can a proper evaluation be done using the pictures provided.

On the other hand, the owners could avoid all this BS by simply posting or insisting on better pictures, something thatÃ¢??s cheap to do now days.

This has the added advantage of attracting more potential buyers and the chance that a bidding war will result giving them much higher profits, after all, that is why they posted their guns in the first place.

Vern

Tom Whiteman · 12-15-2007, 11:54 AM

I do not believe that the "matched mag" is correct. Just my opinion.

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2007, 12:04 PM

Navy · 12-15-2007, 12:14 PM

There is a lot to like about this gun; there are also a number of things that are problematic due to the photography. If there is a post-sale inspection period-which I doubt will be offered-I would be tempted to go for it. If, OTOH, it is an "As is, where is" sale, no way would I take the risk.

Tom A

Pete Ebbink · 12-15-2007, 12:34 PM

Looking at the barrel proof in-person with a loupe would be something I would want to do...if bidding and looking at it in-person during a preview :

The "2" appears to have a bit of an odd shape to it...

Pete Ebbink · 12-16-2007, 01:29 PM

Magazine proof on the G-B offering :

Magazine proof from R. Gibson's book on page 92 :

There is also the question if the G-B magazine should have its proof above the SN and stamped upside-down when looking at the SN...

Pete Ebbink · 12-16-2007, 05:22 PM

Not sure what to make of this...

I was trying to zoom-in on the "heat polished" ramp of the front "ear" on the left side and this apparent discoloration of a wider area popped up...

Guess one needs to ask if you want that on a $ 10K gun.

12-14-2007, 07:25 PM	#1
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12-14-2007, 08:56 PM	#2
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	This gun is beautiful, but this makes me worry, I am so paranoid with the pretty guns, having seen so many fakes lately, so take this lightly. The gun appears to have been re-blued at some point, several of the edges are rounded, note the right side railing and the 881 on the barrel looks hand done not stamped. The strawing is too good, there is some ware just in front of the side plate; this should not have bluing in it. I donÃ¢??t like the looks of the Ã¢??9Ã¢?Â in the date stamp. I also donÃ¢??t like the looks of the front barrel band. The edge above the sear bar shows blued pitting. Positive notes: This gun has been taken care of; note the grease, the high intensity lighting can play tricks. The heat treating is pretty clear on the ramps. Is it a real HKÃ¢??I think it is, could it have been re-blued there is at least a chance that it has been professionally restored. Is it worth $10,000 dollars Ã¢??I will leave that up to the bidders The people who photographed this gun may have done more harm than good; everything I noted may not even be a problem. This should enlist a few comments however Thanks for Posting Vern

12-15-2007, 01:33 AM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	This is a prime example, in my opinion, of a high priced luger that has to be examined personally to draw any definite conclusions. Krieghoffs were more highly polished at the factory than other contemporary Mauser lugers and some I have examined that looked refinished to me were found to be original by "experts".

12-15-2007, 10:23 AM	#4
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	I agree DR, 100% No way can a proper evaluation be done using the pictures provided. On the other hand, the owners could avoid all this BS by simply posting or insisting on better pictures, something thatÃ¢??s cheap to do now days. This has the added advantage of attracting more potential buyers and the chance that a bidding war will result giving them much higher profits, after all, that is why they posted their guns in the first place. Vern

12-15-2007, 11:54 AM	#5
Tom Whiteman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phila, PA Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 3 Posts	I do not believe that the "matched mag" is correct. Just my opinion.

12-15-2007, 12:04 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts

12-15-2007, 12:14 PM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	There is a lot to like about this gun; there are also a number of things that are problematic due to the photography. If there is a post-sale inspection period-which I doubt will be offered-I would be tempted to go for it. If, OTOH, it is an "As is, where is" sale, no way would I take the risk. Tom A

12-15-2007, 12:34 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Looking at the barrel proof in-person with a loupe would be something I would want to do...if bidding and looking at it in-person during a preview : The "2" appears to have a bit of an odd shape to it...

12-16-2007, 01:29 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Magazine proof on the G-B offering : Magazine proof from R. Gibson's book on page 92 : There is also the question if the G-B magazine should have its proof above the SN and stamped upside-down when looking at the SN...

12-16-2007, 05:22 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Not sure what to make of this... I was trying to zoom-in on the "heat polished" ramp of the front "ear" on the left side and this apparent discoloration of a wider area popped up... Guess one needs to ask if you want that on a $ 10K gun.