flaming bomb

ejc · 03-01-2003, 08:26 PM

I was reading American Rifleman today and saw a interesting question.A gentleman has a Stevens Model 87m 22cal rifle,and he was asking this question, "ON the reciever is the following"US"(followed by the "flaming bomb")and a "diamond" shaped mark.In front of the rear sight is:"Ranger 101.16."The stock has"RIA" in small letters stamed mid-way on the left side.Could you please identify this rifle and advise me of any history about this gun?" The answer came back that this was a gun that was purchased by the Army Ordnance Corps and was used as a trainer and that the "RIA" mark stood for Rock island arsenal. Unfortunatly they dont talk about or show the flaming bomb proof.My question is there an American flaming bomb proof,and a german, or is this one a fake.Is there more U.S. equitment marked with this?

ViggoG · 03-01-2003, 11:15 PM

Forum Members,
We hear much about the US Ordinance Flaming Bomb Proof Mark.
I finally Photographed My

" US "
" Springfield "
" Armory "
" Model of 1922 "
" M1. Cal. .22 "

I believe that this indicates that the barrel was manufactured at "Springfield Arsenal" and accepted at "Springfield Armory" in the fifth month or "May of 1925"

Hope this finds a place in the permanent files !
ViggoG

Lugerdoc · 03-02-2003, 09:57 AM

What many folks are calling a "flaming bomb" on Lugers, is an inspector's mark that consist of an upward facing semi-circle over a circle, not the actual US marking shown above. Tom H.

Edward Tinker · 03-02-2003, 11:43 AM

I think this mark is covered in a book or two? (German marking), if so, then we can compare the two, I will add Viggo's picture to the FAQ I am slowly adding to.

Ed

ejc · 03-02-2003, 11:55 AM

Thank you all for clearing that up for me.I have added the U.S. proof to my files.I was wondering if someone could post the german proof in question, or tell me what book I could find it in.
Ed

Edward Tinker · 03-02-2003, 12:20 PM

This December posting had pictures (had, because with the servers being changed, they dropped out), and a long discussion on this.
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...=000043#000000

I tried to find pictures, but was unable to find real pictures, only drawings in Mr. Jones' Luger Variations.

Ed

ejc · 03-02-2003, 03:18 PM

Thanks Ed
I dont have that book yet but I am working on it.

John D. · 03-02-2003, 04:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ViggoG:
...Hope this finds a place in the permanent files ..<hr /></blockquote>Hi Viggo.!

It sure has! - just select the "Technical Information" from the left hand menu.. Many, many thanks!

03-01-2003, 08:26 PM	#1
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	flaming bomb I was reading American Rifleman today and saw a interesting question.A gentleman has a Stevens Model 87m 22cal rifle,and he was asking this question, "ON the reciever is the following"US"(followed by the "flaming bomb")and a "diamond" shaped mark.In front of the rear sight is:"Ranger 101.16."The stock has"RIA" in small letters stamed mid-way on the left side.Could you please identify this rifle and advise me of any history about this gun?" The answer came back that this was a gun that was purchased by the Army Ordnance Corps and was used as a trainer and that the "RIA" mark stood for Rock island arsenal. Unfortunatly they dont talk about or show the flaming bomb proof.My question is there an American flaming bomb proof,and a german, or is this one a fake.Is there more U.S. equitment marked with this?

03-02-2003, 09:57 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	What many folks are calling a "flaming bomb" on Lugers, is an inspector's mark that consist of an upward facing semi-circle over a circle, not the actual US marking shown above. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-02-2003, 11:43 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	I think this mark is covered in a book or two? (German marking), if so, then we can compare the two, I will add Viggo's picture to the FAQ I am slowly adding to. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-02-2003, 12:20 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	This December posting had pictures (had, because with the servers being changed, they dropped out), and a long discussion on this. http://forums.lugerforum.com/lugerfo...=000043#000000 I tried to find pictures, but was unable to find real pictures, only drawings in Mr. Jones' Luger Variations. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-02-2003, 04:06 PM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 471 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by ViggoG: <strong>...Hope this finds a place in the permanent files ..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi Viggo.! It sure has! - just select the "Technical Information" from the left hand menu.. Many, many thanks!

03-01-2003, 11:15 PM	#2
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Forum Members, We hear much about the US Ordinance Flaming Bomb Proof Mark. I finally Photographed My " US " " Springfield " " Armory " " Model of 1922 " " M1. Cal. .22 " I believe that this indicates that the barrel was manufactured at "Springfield Arsenal" and accepted at "Springfield Armory" in the fifth month or "May of 1925" Hope this finds a place in the permanent files ! ViggoG

03-02-2003, 11:55 AM	#5
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for clearing that up for me.I have added the U.S. proof to my files.I was wondering if someone could post the german proof in question, or tell me what book I could find it in. Ed

03-02-2003, 03:18 PM	#7
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Ed I dont have that book yet but I am working on it.