New to me 1917 DWM

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 12:09 PM

Picked up my second WWI Luger this weekend and wanted to see what you guys think of it.

I believe it to be original finish and all numbers match.
It has one numbers matching mag.

Would anyone care give me a rough estimate on the value of this rig?

I forgot to photograph some areas, I can add those photos tonight.

Thanks for your knowledge,
-Miles

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 12:10 PM

More photos.

DonVoigt · 09-12-2017, 12:14 PM

Looks good.
Is the holster marked?

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 12:19 PM

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milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 12:22 PM

Forgot to include holster pictures.
SN written on the tool flap does not match my pistol or the spare mag.
I know nothing about it so please enlighten me.
I have reached out to Jerry to get a price on fixing the damaged strap.

John Sabato · 09-12-2017, 12:34 PM

Very nice, your holster strap can be restored by Jerry Burney (Lugerholsterrepair). His work is highly recommended by forum members.

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 12:46 PM

Is it possible this medal belonged to the vet that captured the rig?
I am assuming that Rn Stephens is a persons name?

https://picclick.co.uk/Ww1-Royal-Nav...125140018.html

wlyon · 09-12-2017, 12:52 PM

My guess is it has been restored. Especially the straw. The grip straps also look too new. Would need to see it in hand to be sure. Bill

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 12:59 PM

There appears to be some sort of corrosion on the upper part of the rear grip strap. (on top of the finish) I will try to get a picture tonight.

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2017, 01:21 PM

Bill may be right, as the finish is certainly better than usually seen. Grip straps, barrel, etc, look almost too good. But if we're wrong it is definitely a nice piece. I'll take a WAG at $2k or just a bit more, IF original finish.

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 02:01 PM

I will post pictures of the finish wear tonight. It is certainly not perfect and I don't think my pictures represent the wear accurately.
If this was refinished how could they replicate the halos in the barrel SN?

Thanks to everyone who has replied!

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2017, 02:34 PM

The halos are problematic, but not impossible to boost. I believe that it involves the use of an air brush and would be the final touch of skullduggery.
Other normally suspect areas (muzzle, GESICHERT, toggle pin, etc.) look good.
But your point is good and I'll guess it is legit.
dju

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 02:47 PM

If there is anything specific I can photograph for your eyes please let me know.

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2017, 04:39 PM

OK, how about the numbers and suffix on the front of the frame, the left side numbers also showing an inch or so of barrel for finish comparison. Muzzle close-up and also the rear showing the lanyard loop and rear toggle link impact area.
But you have it in hand. Does the finish seem even throughout, and are there any signs of rust pitting that is blued over?

dju

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 06:25 PM

Here is the second round of photos.

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 06:30 PM

"Does the finish seem even throughout, and are there any signs of rust pitting that is blued over?"

The finish is very even throught although the side plate may be a little lighter as I have seen on others. (it is numbered to the gun inside and out)

I see absolutely no signs of any damage, rust or otherwise, being blued over.

I have handled many many Lugers both known original and restored and I firmly believe this one to be original.

mrerick · 09-12-2017, 06:47 PM

Looks like a nice one. Congratulations.

Do you have our FAQ document? It's quite useful.

Just click on FAQ at the top of page. it will lead you to the post that has the PDFs.

Marc

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 07:00 PM

Yes, I read it before buying. It has helped me tremendously!

Thanks,
-Miles

DavidJayUden · 09-12-2017, 07:17 PM

I can't see any reason to think it is not a very nice original. Maybe sharper eyes and more experience than mine will disagree, however.
Nice gun!
I threw out the figure of $2k earlier. What do you value it at?
dju

milesc2 · 09-12-2017, 08:59 PM

I’m not entirely sure. I found it at cabelas priced WAY under 2K.
I don’t think they knew what they had because the prices there are usually unbelievably high.

Saw this on gunbroker so I have no clue what it may go for on there.

-Miles

09-12-2017, 12:09 PM	#1
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	New to me 1917 DWM Picked up my second WWI Luger this weekend and wanted to see what you guys think of it. I believe it to be original finish and all numbers match. It has one numbers matching mag. Would anyone care give me a rough estimate on the value of this rig? I forgot to photograph some areas, I can add those photos tonight. Thanks for your knowledge, -Miles Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2017, 12:10 PM	#2
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	More photos. Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2017, 12:14 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Looks good. Is the holster marked? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-12-2017, 12:19 PM	#4
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Top Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2017, 12:22 PM	#5
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Forgot to include holster pictures. SN written on the tool flap does not match my pistol or the spare mag. I know nothing about it so please enlighten me. I have reached out to Jerry to get a price on fixing the damaged strap. Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2017, 12:34 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Very nice, your holster strap can be restored by Jerry Burney (Lugerholsterrepair). His work is highly recommended by forum members. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-12-2017, 12:46 PM	#7
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Is it possible this medal belonged to the vet that captured the rig? I am assuming that Rn Stephens is a persons name? https://picclick.co.uk/Ww1-Royal-Nav...125140018.html

09-12-2017, 12:52 PM	#8
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	My guess is it has been restored. Especially the straw. The grip straps also look too new. Would need to see it in hand to be sure. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-12-2017, 12:59 PM	#9
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	There appears to be some sort of corrosion on the upper part of the rear grip strap. (on top of the finish) I will try to get a picture tonight.

09-12-2017, 01:21 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Bill may be right, as the finish is certainly better than usually seen. Grip straps, barrel, etc, look almost too good. But if we're wrong it is definitely a nice piece. I'll take a WAG at $2k or just a bit more, IF original finish.

09-12-2017, 02:01 PM	#11
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	I will post pictures of the finish wear tonight. It is certainly not perfect and I don't think my pictures represent the wear accurately. If this was refinished how could they replicate the halos in the barrel SN? Thanks to everyone who has replied!

09-12-2017, 02:34 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	The halos are problematic, but not impossible to boost. I believe that it involves the use of an air brush and would be the final touch of skullduggery. Other normally suspect areas (muzzle, GESICHERT, toggle pin, etc.) look good. But your point is good and I'll guess it is legit. dju

09-12-2017, 02:47 PM	#13
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	If there is anything specific I can photograph for your eyes please let me know.

09-12-2017, 04:39 PM	#14
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	OK, how about the numbers and suffix on the front of the frame, the left side numbers also showing an inch or so of barrel for finish comparison. Muzzle close-up and also the rear showing the lanyard loop and rear toggle link impact area. But you have it in hand. Does the finish seem even throughout, and are there any signs of rust pitting that is blued over? dju

09-12-2017, 06:25 PM	#15
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Here is the second round of photos. Attached Thumbnails

09-12-2017, 06:30 PM	#16
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	"Does the finish seem even throughout, and are there any signs of rust pitting that is blued over?" The finish is very even throught although the side plate may be a little lighter as I have seen on others. (it is numbered to the gun inside and out) I see absolutely no signs of any damage, rust or otherwise, being blued over. I have handled many many Lugers both known original and restored and I firmly believe this one to be original.

09-12-2017, 06:47 PM	#17
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Looks like a nice one. Congratulations. Do you have our FAQ document? It's quite useful. Just click on FAQ at the top of page. it will lead you to the post that has the PDFs. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-12-2017, 07:00 PM	#18
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	Yes, I read it before buying. It has helped me tremendously! Thanks, -Miles

09-12-2017, 07:17 PM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I can't see any reason to think it is not a very nice original. Maybe sharper eyes and more experience than mine will disagree, however. Nice gun! I threw out the figure of $2k earlier. What do you value it at? dju

09-12-2017, 08:59 PM	#20
milesc2 User Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Kansas City Posts: 214 Thanks: 324 Thanked 249 Times in 66 Posts	I’m not entirely sure. I found it at cabelas priced WAY under 2K. I don’t think they knew what they had because the prices there are usually unbelievably high. Saw this on gunbroker so I have no clue what it may go for on there. -Miles Attached Thumbnails