1940 "dwm"

Edward Tinker · 06-28-2005, 02:21 AM

All matching except side plate.... oh, and it is marked 1940 and has a DWM toggle

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6767682

Ron Smith · 06-28-2005, 07:42 AM

Ed, It is a little known fact that ( now don't let this get out ) if you take parts from two 1920 DWM's and assemble them, you have a 1940 DWM.

This is well documented in Betty Crocker's "Fillet of Luger" vol III. A highly respected Luger collector in the Mid West will also varify this.

The rarest and most desirable variations are the "Odd Year" 1940 DWMs. 1915/1925, 1911/1929, 1902/1938 etc. They can command up to $605-$719 at a big garage sale.

The rarest is, the chrome plated with frazite grips 1940 DWM that was presented to Hermann GÃ?Â¶ering after winning a cream puff eating contest. I have it in my collection. A very rare, one of a kind Luger.
That guy at the gunshow told me so.

As I said Mum's the word. If this gets out everybody will be looking for them.

Ron

Steve71 · 06-28-2005, 01:05 PM

Ed,

Help me to better understand these "parts" guns. I want to learn more on picking out the bad ones. So where does the 1940 stamp come from? Is it a part from another gun or did someone go to the trouble of restamping it?
What was the last year on the DWM?

Thanks,

Steve

Vlim · 06-28-2005, 01:59 PM

Steve,

The last official DWM year was 1929. As they shipped the machinery to Mauser in that year and Mauser needed some time to setup and start producing themselves there can be legit DWM toggles dating from say 1929 - 1934. Experts can give you some more insight.

This particilar pistol simply had it's receiver swapped out for another one.

I am the proud owner of a 1936 DWM

(which of course also got a fresh receiver somewhere along the way)

Edward Tinker · 06-28-2005, 02:04 PM

Steve, I am unsure, don't have my books with me. DWM's were not made by DWM, but during the change over you will still see DWM toggles, but they started marking them with codes. By memory, the 1940 should have a 42 or s/42 for the toggle, not a DWM, so the DWM was an old toggle that happened to have the number or was put on there.

You have to have a book that talks about whichever era you are interested in. I like Jan Still's books, mainly because it makes it so easy to see by era.

Imperial for WW1 and earlier
Weimar for 1919-1934
Third Reich Lugers 1934-1945

You can then just pull out Third Reich Lugers (sometimes seen as TRL) and look up what a 1940 should be marked as.

There are a few folks that might say that the DWM was added during the war, but being a 1940, germany was still winning, so why wouldn't they pop on a S/42 or a 42 marked toggle....

Ed

Frank · 06-28-2005, 04:53 PM

Hey Ron, wouldn't two 1920 DWM Lugers make one 3840 DWM Luger??

Dwight Gruber · 06-28-2005, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frank
Hey Ron, wouldn't two 1920 DWM Lugers make one 3840 DWM Luger??

Yes, the well-known 3840 phased-plasma toggle action Luger.

--Dwight

Steve71 · 06-28-2005, 05:43 PM

Thanks guys. I'll get that book. It will help me!

Edward Tinker · 06-28-2005, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dwight Gruber
Yes, the well-known 3840 phased-plasma toggle action Luger.

--Dwight

No, no Ron and Dwight, you are thinking about Imperial plasma lugers, these are weimar, you have to subtract 3200 and add 1920!

ed

Vlim · 06-28-2005, 07:48 PM

Well,

Han Solo used a modified C96 in Star Wars, so I guess Imperial Plasma Lugers are a possibility.

Pete Ebbink · 06-29-2005, 01:05 PM

Shattuck had a 1940 (4-digit) byf for sale on his 1997-98 era List # 234 for sale...

Frank · 06-29-2005, 09:28 PM

Pete, a 1940 byf could be an "out of sequence" pistol. See Jan Still's TRL for the details!!

unspellable · 06-30-2005, 04:25 PM

How many times do I have to tell you guys I have Goering's Luger in my desk drawer?

It has a 1920 permission date so that rules it out as one of the rare WWI nickle plated offcier's models.

BTW: Had it out at the range a week or so ago. Disgustingly reliable feeder. Intuition told me that the ugliest Luger in my collection would be the most reliable.)

Edward Tinker · 06-30-2005, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by unspellable
Intuition told me that the ugliest Luger in my collection would be the most reliable.)

Like, isn't that a law?

Pete Ebbink · 07-02-2005, 12:00 PM

Hi Frank,

Yep...Leon DeSpain has one, too :

http://lmd-militaria.com/page486.html

Regards,

Pete...

Edward Tinker · 07-02-2005, 09:33 PM

oh Pete I like the new flag!

ed

View Poll Results: How many 1940 DWMs have you seen?
Oh yes, I have seen many 1940 DWM's	3	33.33%
DUH, are you stupud?	4	44.44%
all matching BUT...	1	11.11%
well, $600 AND a holster.. hmmmm	1	11.11%
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06-28-2005, 02:21 AM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	1940 "dwm" All matching except side plate.... oh, and it is marked 1940 and has a DWM toggle http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6767682

06-28-2005, 07:42 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, It is a little known fact that ( now don't let this get out ) if you take parts from two 1920 DWM's and assemble them, you have a 1940 DWM. This is well documented in Betty Crocker's "Fillet of Luger" vol III. A highly respected Luger collector in the Mid West will also varify this. The rarest and most desirable variations are the "Odd Year" 1940 DWMs. 1915/1925, 1911/1929, 1902/1938 etc. They can command up to $605-$719 at a big garage sale. The rarest is, the chrome plated with frazite grips 1940 DWM that was presented to Hermann GÃ?Â¶ering after winning a cream puff eating contest. I have it in my collection. A very rare, one of a kind Luger. That guy at the gunshow told me so. As I said Mum's the word. If this gets out everybody will be looking for them. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-28-2005, 01:05 PM	#3
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, Help me to better understand these "parts" guns. I want to learn more on picking out the bad ones. So where does the 1940 stamp come from? Is it a part from another gun or did someone go to the trouble of restamping it? What was the last year on the DWM? Thanks, Steve __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-28-2005, 05:43 PM	#8
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys. I'll get that book. It will help me! __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

06-28-2005, 01:59 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Steve, The last official DWM year was 1929. As they shipped the machinery to Mauser in that year and Mauser needed some time to setup and start producing themselves there can be legit DWM toggles dating from say 1929 - 1934. Experts can give you some more insight. This particilar pistol simply had it's receiver swapped out for another one. I am the proud owner of a 1936 DWM (which of course also got a fresh receiver somewhere along the way)

06-28-2005, 02:04 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Steve, I am unsure, don't have my books with me. DWM's were not made by DWM, but during the change over you will still see DWM toggles, but they started marking them with codes. By memory, the 1940 should have a 42 or s/42 for the toggle, not a DWM, so the DWM was an old toggle that happened to have the number or was put on there. You have to have a book that talks about whichever era you are interested in. I like Jan Still's books, mainly because it makes it so easy to see by era. Imperial for WW1 and earlier Weimar for 1919-1934 Third Reich Lugers 1934-1945 You can then just pull out Third Reich Lugers (sometimes seen as TRL) and look up what a 1940 should be marked as. There are a few folks that might say that the DWM was added during the war, but being a 1940, germany was still winning, so why wouldn't they pop on a S/42 or a 42 marked toggle.... Ed

06-28-2005, 04:53 PM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hey Ron, wouldn't two 1920 DWM Lugers make one 3840 DWM Luger??

06-28-2005, 07:48 PM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Well, Han Solo used a modified C96 in Star Wars, so I guess Imperial Plasma Lugers are a possibility.

06-29-2005, 01:05 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Shattuck had a 1940 (4-digit) byf for sale on his 1997-98 era List # 234 for sale...

06-29-2005, 09:28 PM	#12
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Pete, a 1940 byf could be an "out of sequence" pistol. See Jan Still's TRL for the details!!

06-30-2005, 04:25 PM	#13
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	Goering's Luger How many times do I have to tell you guys I have Goering's Luger in my desk drawer? It has a 1920 permission date so that rules it out as one of the rare WWI nickle plated offcier's models. BTW: Had it out at the range a week or so ago. Disgustingly reliable feeder. Intuition told me that the ugliest Luger in my collection would be the most reliable.)

07-02-2005, 12:00 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Frank, Yep...Leon DeSpain has one, too : http://lmd-militaria.com/page486.html Regards, Pete...

07-02-2005, 09:33 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	oh Pete I like the new flag! ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV