LugerForum Discussion Forums my profile | register | faq | search
upload photo | donate | calendar

Go Back   LugerForum Discussion Forums > Luger Discussion Forums > Swiss Lugers

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 09-03-2019, 06:55 AM   #1
Proofed
User
 
Proofed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Pa.
Posts: 157
Thanks: 535
Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts
Default Swiss 29 details

A new one to me in need of a good cleaning after that it ill be one fine pistol. Lots of differences to look at.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 profile (3).jpg
Views:	198
Size:	198.7 KB
ID:	77765  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29  holster (7).jpg
Views:	192
Size:	201.7 KB
ID:	77766  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29  holster (6).jpg
Views:	186
Size:	206.1 KB
ID:	77767  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss  29 magazine (1).jpg
Views:	188
Size:	197.2 KB
ID:	77768  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 front sight.jpg
Views:	190
Size:	109.4 KB
ID:	77769  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 toggle (2).jpg
Views:	187
Size:	82.6 KB
ID:	77770  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 toggle (4).jpg
Views:	198
Size:	63.6 KB
ID:	77771  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 differences (1).jpg
Views:	200
Size:	184.7 KB
ID:	77772  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 grips (2).jpg
Views:	202
Size:	199.5 KB
ID:	77773  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 grips (1).jpg
Views:	189
Size:	139.2 KB
ID:	77774  

Proofed is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 4 members says Thank You to Proofed for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 07:04 AM   #2
Proofed
User
 
Proofed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Pa.
Posts: 157
Thanks: 535
Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts
Default Details 2

More of the same
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 side plate (1).jpg
Views:	186
Size:	175.9 KB
ID:	77775  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 sear (1).jpg
Views:	180
Size:	178.8 KB
ID:	77776  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 frame (1).jpg
Views:	179
Size:	116.9 KB
ID:	77777  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 frame (2).jpg
Views:	196
Size:	120.7 KB
ID:	77778  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 date of mfg..jpg
Views:	181
Size:	197.2 KB
ID:	77779  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 fireing pin (1).jpg
Views:	184
Size:	165.7 KB
ID:	77780  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 fp-retainer (1).jpg
Views:	191
Size:	143.7 KB
ID:	77781  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 trigger (2).jpg
Views:	185
Size:	173.9 KB
ID:	77782  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 ejector.jpg
Views:	170
Size:	189.1 KB
ID:	77783  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 internals (2).jpg
Views:	181
Size:	70.3 KB
ID:	77784  

Proofed is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 4 members says Thank You to Proofed for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 07:10 AM   #3
Proofed
User
 
Proofed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Pa.
Posts: 157
Thanks: 535
Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts
Default

And more
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 internals (3).jpg
Views:	170
Size:	129.0 KB
ID:	77785  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (1).jpg
Views:	182
Size:	74.3 KB
ID:	77786  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (3).jpg
Views:	184
Size:	93.3 KB
ID:	77787  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (4).jpg
Views:	189
Size:	143.9 KB
ID:	77788  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (5).jpg
Views:	181
Size:	140.5 KB
ID:	77789  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (6).jpg
Views:	174
Size:	116.4 KB
ID:	77790  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (9).jpg
Views:	194
Size:	106.1 KB
ID:	77791  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (10).jpg
Views:	175
Size:	126.1 KB
ID:	77792  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (11).jpg
Views:	178
Size:	106.4 KB
ID:	77793  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 breech (4).jpg
Views:	169
Size:	68.6 KB
ID:	77794  

Proofed is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 3 members says Thank You to Proofed for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 07:31 AM   #4
Proofed
User
 
Proofed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Pa.
Posts: 157
Thanks: 535
Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts
Default

Last ones
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 marks (12).jpg
Views:	178
Size:	140.8 KB
ID:	77795  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 internals (4).jpg
Views:	181
Size:	149.7 KB
ID:	77796  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29  toggle pin.jpg
Views:	180
Size:	208.8 KB
ID:	77797  

Click image for larger version

Name:	swiss 29 trigger (1).jpg
Views:	168
Size:	155.1 KB
ID:	77798  

Proofed is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 11 members says Thank You to Proofed for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 10:07 AM   #5
hayhugh
User
 
hayhugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Florida/Penna
Posts: 882
Thanks: 840
Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts
Default

Great looking Swiss!
hayhugh is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 2 members says Thank You to hayhugh for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 10:13 AM   #6
DonVoigt
User
 
DonVoigt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: near Charlotte NC
Posts: 4,674
Thanks: 1,435
Thanked 4,341 Times in 2,036 Posts
Default

Looks good.
Thanks for taking the time to produce the great close-ups.
__________________
03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector.
Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie
DonVoigt is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 2 members says Thank You to DonVoigt for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 10:51 AM   #7
mrerick
Super Moderator - Patron
LugerForum
Life Patron
 
mrerick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA
Posts: 3,900
Thanks: 1,370
Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts
Default

Congratulations on your Swiss Luger. October, 1936.

The red "Canvesite" grips are particularly brittle, and easy to chip. Take extreme care when handling the grips and the Luger. It's very difficult to find replacements.

I bought a 1935 Swiss Luger with a grip that was chipped badly, and it took me two years to find an original replacement grip.
__________________
Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum -
- Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.
mrerick is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to mrerick for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 11:34 AM   #8
Ron Wood
Moderator
2010 LugerForum
Patron
 
Ron Wood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso
Posts: 6,985
Thanks: 1,059
Thanked 5,082 Times in 1,673 Posts
Default

Wayne,
That is a sweet item! Ditto on the comment on the Canvesite grips, ones that nice are hard to come by.
Ron
__________________
If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction
Ron Wood is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to Ron Wood for your post:
Unread 09-03-2019, 12:31 PM   #9
HerrKaiser
User
 
HerrKaiser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 797
Thanks: 745
Thanked 788 Times in 374 Posts
Default

I can see the “P” for private purchase mark on the left side of the frame, does it have a date as to when it was privately purchased out of service?
__________________
-QM

Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22
HerrKaiser is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-03-2019, 01:47 PM   #10
Proofed
User
 
Proofed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Pa.
Posts: 157
Thanks: 535
Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts
Default grips and dates

Thanks for letting me know about the grips I will be especially carefull of them.
I do not know of any other dates on the pistol other than mfg. Oct-36 and i'm not aware of any dating put on these pistols to reflect out of service.
Proofed is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-03-2019, 02:37 PM   #11
HerrKaiser
User
 
HerrKaiser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 797
Thanks: 745
Thanked 788 Times in 374 Posts
Default

On a lot of the Swiss examples I have seen at Simpson’s website, if they do it it’s usually near the P and just the last 2 digits of the year. Yours might or might not have had it done, but it looks excellent. Congratulations on your acquisition.
__________________
-QM

Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22
HerrKaiser is offline   Reply With Quote
The following member says Thank You to HerrKaiser for your post:
Unread 09-04-2019, 10:21 AM   #12
Lugerdoc
Patron
LugerForum
Patron
 
Lugerdoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302
Posts: 5,089
Thanks: 6
Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts
Default

Wayne, Great close-up photos including inspector's marking. Anyone needing similar parts ---- I have most of them in stock. TH
__________________
Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302
Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net
Lugerdoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-05-2019, 05:10 AM   #13
Sergio Natali
User
 
Sergio Natali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 1,082
Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts
Default

Congrats on a great looking Model 29 1937 production s/n 53901 - 55030

Beautiful pictures.
__________________
"Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.
Sergio Natali is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-05-2019, 03:19 PM   #14
Stucki
User
 
Stucki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 83
Thanks: 1
Thanked 129 Times in 33 Posts
Default

The Waffenfabrik Bern produced this pistol in October 1936 and delivered it to the Swiss Army in February 1937.

Alexander
Stucki is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 2 members says Thank You to Stucki for your post:
Unread 09-07-2019, 02:53 AM   #15
Proofed
User
 
Proofed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Pa.
Posts: 157
Thanks: 535
Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts
Default Date Details

Thanks so much for the date details of when and when. I really appreciate it.
Proofed is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-07-2019, 06:53 AM   #16
Sergio Natali
User
 
Sergio Natali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 1,082
Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stucki View Post
The Waffenfabrik Bern produced this pistol in October 1936 and delivered it to the Swiss Army in February 1937.

Alexander
Could you please let me know where did you find it?
__________________
"Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.
Sergio Natali is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-07-2019, 09:55 AM   #17
Stucki
User
 
Stucki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 83
Thanks: 1
Thanked 129 Times in 33 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio Natali View Post
Could you please let me know where did you find it?
As far as I know, today there is no information left, which indicate the time of production of Swiss Lugers. The existing records of the W+F provide information about the time of delivery of the pistols. I am relying on copies of the W+F delivery books, which until recently were still kept at RUAG.

In addition, I am aware of W+F documents from the Swiss Federal Archives with corresponding information. One of these documents (from 1946) is entitled "Produktion von Serie Pistolen" (production of pistols). But that is misleading. The document is obviously based on the above-mentioned delivery books of the W+F. I assume, that Bobba and other authors, had access to this document and therefore we have this confusion about production and delivery information.

When you compare the indication about month and year in the frame of pistols 06/29 with the information in the delivery books, you can see, that the delivery normally took place in the same month or one to two months later than production date in the frame of the pistol (rarely more than two months).

I also have the impression, that the entries in the delivery books have not always been made carefully, there are some obvious mistakes in them.

Alexander
Stucki is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 2 members says Thank You to Stucki for your post:
Unread 09-07-2019, 02:20 PM   #18
Sergio Natali
User
 
Sergio Natali's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy
Posts: 2,646
Thanks: 1,082
Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stucki View Post
As far as I know, today there is no information left, which indicate the time of production of Swiss Lugers. The existing records of the W+F provide information about the time of delivery of the pistols. I am relying on copies of the W+F delivery books, which until recently were still kept at RUAG.

In addition, I am aware of W+F documents from the Swiss Federal Archives with corresponding information. One of these documents (from 1946) is entitled "Produktion von Serie Pistolen" (production of pistols). But that is misleading. The document is obviously based on the above-mentioned delivery books of the W+F. I assume, that Bobba and other authors, had access to this document and therefore we have this confusion about production and delivery information.

When you compare the indication about month and year in the frame of pistols 06/29 with the information in the delivery books, you can see, that the delivery normally took place in the same month or one to two months later than production date in the frame of the pistol (rarely more than two months).

I also have the impression, that the entries in the delivery books have not always been made carefully, there are some obvious mistakes in them.

Alexander
Thanks for your reply, actually I based my reply on what I've always considered "the Holy Bible of the Swiss Lugers" i.e. Mr Vittorio Bobba's books.
__________________
"Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.
Sergio Natali is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 09-07-2019, 05:12 PM   #19
Stucki
User
 
Stucki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 83
Thanks: 1
Thanked 129 Times in 33 Posts
Default

It's a bit of a problem with the Bible - it's just a matter of faith…

To be serious: Bobba is today still one of the best you can read about Swiss Lugers - beside the three volumes of Sturgess and Görtz. Bobba also used primary sources, but his book contains also some errors.

A new book about Swiss Lugers is one of my retirement projects…
Stucki is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 2 members says Thank You to Stucki for your post:
Unread 09-07-2019, 06:39 PM   #20
Ron Wood
Moderator
2010 LugerForum
Patron
 
Ron Wood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso
Posts: 6,985
Thanks: 1,059
Thanked 5,082 Times in 1,673 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stucki View Post
...A new book about Swiss Lugers is one of my retirement projects…
Please don't wait too long. I don't have a lot of years left (but am shooting for at least 20 ).
Ron
__________________
If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction
Ron Wood is offline   Reply With Quote
The following 2 members says Thank You to Ron Wood for your post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2023, Lugerforum.com