Is This Legal? - Page 4

cirelaw · 09-09-2021, 12:47 PM

Joe says he has been at wth Joe Salter the ATF illegal`https://www.joesalter.com/category/p...arce-Parts-Gun https://www.joesalter.com/category/p...arce-Parts-Gun CARBINE?ARTILLERY COMBINED! I'm Sorry I am hung up! Individually own but not join the two!He has a huge store, I wonder how many were actually inspected!

cirelaw · 09-09-2021, 03:16 PM

After 20 years I have learned from all of you and I can tell something wrong. I just don't want to a member lay out money on the false product. He can legally sell the artillery gun and stock seperatey but not as one unit! The Law Is Clear~He refuses to listen!!! Maybe ATF will~He tell me me that ATF makes regular visits finds nothing wrong. Someone is missing the obvious!

cirelaw · 09-09-2021, 03:32 PM

Here is a correct carbine stock

cirelaw · 09-09-2021, 04:03 PM

Joe sent me a message that visits him regularly and has no problem. Time for me submit a letter!

spangy · 09-09-2021, 06:30 PM

My advice my friend:
Let sleeping dogs lie and don't create problems where there are none.

JTD · 09-09-2021, 08:38 PM

Eric, threats of squealing on a fellow collector/dealer or otherwise is probably not the best way to stay in good favor with the membership of this, or any other forum that caters to the firearms collecting hobby. We have enough people looking to shut us off in the current political environment without enemies within.

cirelaw · 09-09-2021, 10:10 PM

OVER, Its illegal as presentation, pisses me off! Sorry!!!

m1903a3 · 09-10-2021, 11:35 AM

<sigh> At the risk of breathing new life into this poor animal, I did find a copy of an ATF letter regarding the use of repro stocks.

The fact that the letter itself is almost old enough to be a C&R depresses me.

hayhugh · 09-10-2021, 12:04 PM

Can not get any plainer than that...

cirelaw · 09-10-2021, 06:10 PM

Those are blind who refuse to see~

gunbugs · 09-10-2021, 10:51 PM

Take a deep breath.... Let it go......Just...Let it go....

schutzen-jager · 09-11-2021, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1903a3

<sigh> At the risk of breathing new life into this poor animal, I did find a copy of an ATF letter regarding the use of repro stocks.

The fact that the letter itself is almost old enough to be a C&R depresses me.

1981 ruling no longer valid - current ATF posting

from ATF q+a

[ Only original Artillery and Navy Lugers are legal with a stock, and it MUST be the correct type of stock that came from the factory for the Arty, and the Navy (they are different stocks). No stock is legal on a short bbl. Luger unless you registered it as a SBR. or it is on the C+R list ]

hayhugh · 09-11-2021, 08:56 AM

Can not get any plainer than that...

cirelaw · 09-11-2021, 10:57 AM

Thank you both

Heinz · 09-11-2021, 05:13 PM

Post number 72 is not different than post 68. The Q&A does not rule out repro stocks, but they have to be an appropriate repro on an original weapon.

if you put any stock on a non-typical 1920 "Carbine" you better be able to show it is original style to that exact piece. Good luck with that.

This horse is dead.

wlyon · 09-11-2021, 07:42 PM

Let's keep it dead. Bill

spangy · 09-11-2021, 09:10 PM

Pistol · 09-12-2021, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria. Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria

Sounds like the current US administration

EdinFla · 09-24-2021, 07:54 AM

Re read this thread, again.

I think that the key point is being missed.

It does not matter what the law/rulings state, not even a little, when it comes to your interaction with the government. If cops/atf/Borg come to your house and they want you, they will get you. Why do you think federal conviction rates are so high? Because they stack charges and then politely ask if you will plead to a lesser offence.

You cannot win.

You have an ATF letter? Cool. When you go to trial in 5 years and $200,000 later, be sure to show the judge. And if you raise too much of a stink, they'll find that you passed a Canadian quarter at a kiosk and get you on illegal currency trading.

The moment you are in the system you are being punished. If they want you, they will get you.

Edward Tinker · 09-24-2021, 10:03 AM

Lets have ENOUGH of this subject

closed

09-09-2021, 12:47 PM	#61
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Joe says he has been at wth Joe Salter the ATF illegal`https://www.joesalter.com/category/p...arce-Parts-Gun https://www.joesalter.com/category/p...arce-Parts-Gun CARBINE?ARTILLERY COMBINED! I'm Sorry I am hung up! Individually own but not join the two!He has a huge store, I wonder how many were actually inspected! Attached Thumbnails Attached Images Last edited by cirelaw; 09-09-2021 at 12:50 PM. Reason: ATF WRONG

09-09-2021, 03:16 PM	#62
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	After 20 years I have learned from all of you and I can tell something wrong. I just don't want to a member lay out money on the false product. He can legally sell the artillery gun and stock seperatey but not as one unit! The Law Is Clear~He refuses to listen!!! Maybe ATF will~He tell me me that ATF makes regular visits finds nothing wrong. Someone is missing the obvious! Attached Thumbnails

09-09-2021, 03:32 PM	#63
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here is a correct carbine stock Attached Images

09-09-2021, 06:30 PM	#65
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	My advice my friend: Let sleeping dogs lie and don't create problems where there are none. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

09-11-2021, 07:42 PM	#76
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Let's keep it dead. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-09-2021, 04:03 PM	#64
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Joe sent me a message that visits him regularly and has no problem. Time for me submit a letter!

09-09-2021, 08:38 PM	#66
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 214 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Eric, threats of squealing on a fellow collector/dealer or otherwise is probably not the best way to stay in good favor with the membership of this, or any other forum that caters to the firearms collecting hobby. We have enough people looking to shut us off in the current political environment without enemies within.

09-09-2021, 10:10 PM	#67
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	OVER, Its illegal as presentation, pisses me off! Sorry!!!

09-10-2021, 12:04 PM	#69
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 847 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	Can not get any plainer than that...

09-10-2021, 06:10 PM	#70
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Those are blind who refuse to see~

09-10-2021, 10:51 PM	#71
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 635 Thanks: 335 Thanked 1,139 Times in 377 Posts	Take a deep breath.... Let it go......Just...Let it go....

09-11-2021, 08:56 AM	#73
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 882 Thanks: 847 Thanked 507 Times in 270 Posts	Can not get any plainer than that...

09-11-2021, 10:57 AM	#74
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank you both

09-11-2021, 05:13 PM	#75
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Post number 72 is not different than post 68. The Q&A does not rule out repro stocks, but they have to be an appropriate repro on an original weapon. if you put any stock on a non-typical 1920 "Carbine" you better be able to show it is original style to that exact piece. Good luck with that. This horse is dead.

09-11-2021, 09:10 PM	#77
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 607 Thanks: 2,984 Thanked 1,047 Times in 422 Posts	__________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

09-24-2021, 07:54 AM	#79
EdinFla Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Florida Posts: 20 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	Re read this thread, again. I think that the key point is being missed. It does not matter what the law/rulings state, not even a little, when it comes to your interaction with the government. If cops/atf/Borg come to your house and they want you, they will get you. Why do you think federal conviction rates are so high? Because they stack charges and then politely ask if you will plead to a lesser offence. You cannot win. You have an ATF letter? Cool. When you go to trial in 5 years and $200,000 later, be sure to show the judge. And if you raise too much of a stink, they'll find that you passed a Canadian quarter at a kiosk and get you on illegal currency trading. The moment you are in the system you are being punished. If they want you, they will get you.

09-24-2021, 10:03 AM	#80
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Lets have ENOUGH of this subject closed