Slightly OT but interesting

Navy · 09-10-2002, 11:46 AM

In my pursuit of Navy Lugers, I also pursue accoutrements and artifacts of the period to provide a context in which the pistols may be seen. Some of you may remember the exhibit Derek Seltzer and I did at KC two years ago, where in addition to the pistols, we had photographs of sailors, uniforms, boarding cutlasses, wehrpasses, etc all in attempt to put human faces behind these pistols.

In any event, I acquired yesterday a photograph album of an Imperial Navy sailor who served on the Deutschland and later on the U70. It is dated 1913-1917.

The photographs are absolutely amazing. It contains combat shots of Allied vessels being sunk, several with shots of the torpedoes in the water enroute to the target vessel. There are some facinating below decks shots of the torpedo room operations, the vessel commander (Cdr Wuntze) at the periscope and inspection of the boat for battle damage after an engagement. One particularly cool shot shows the U70 meeting with another Uboat on the high seas. Likewise portrayed are shots of captured crews being taken aboard as well as the standard "crew and comrade" pictures taken on liberty and at Christmas, etc.

I have never run across anything like this before and wonder if anyone on the forum has. I have seen loads of W.W.II uboat albums but never a W.W.I version before.

I will post some pix later.

Tom A. <img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" />

Doubs · 09-10-2002, 12:00 PM

Tom, that's fascinating and I look forward to seeing the pictures. I was priveledged to once hear Herr Goebbler speak at a NAPCA meeting in Macon about service in the U-Boats during WW2. He was part of the crew of the U-Boat (U-505?) captured by the US Navy during the war and he even showed a film taken at the time that showed him among the crew coming on board the destroyer. Very interesting indeed.

Roadkill · 09-10-2002, 06:02 PM

Just watched Das Boot last week, out of 40,000 submarine sailors 30,000 went under. Looking forward to the photos. Reference Doubs comment, the sailors captured were held in top secret status until end of war, an Enigma with codes was captured, didn't want anyone to know the codes were compromised. Doubs, can you add more details?

RK

Edward Tinker · 09-10-2002, 06:47 PM

Tom, that is really interesting, real photographs of action scenes is fantastic!

Carl · 09-10-2002, 10:33 PM

Hans Goebbler was a table holder at many gun shows, The Max Show, OVMS Shows for many years.
He and his wife sold photos, mugs, T-shirts, etc.
A wonderfull fellow, died about 3 years ago, if memory serves me right.

Doubs · 09-10-2002, 11:25 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Carl:
<strong>Hans Goebbler was a table holder at many gun shows, The Max Show, OVMS Shows for many years.
He and his wife sold photos, mugs, T-shirts, etc.
A wonderfull fellow, died about 3 years ago, if memory serves me right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

After his presentation at our meeting, I was outside and met Herr Goebbler on the sidewalk. He had a child of about 3 or 4 by the hand... a beautiful blue eyed, blonde haired girl. I asked if she was his granddaughter. He laughed and replied that she was, in fact, his daughter! He was well into his 70's and I didn't realize until that moment that the young 30-something woman and child acompanying him was his wife and daughter!

His description of life on a U-Boat - especially the food and odors - didn't make anyone run out and volunteer for sub service. Everything stank of diesel fumes, sweat and rotting food.

The U-505, IIRC, is on display somewhere around Chicago.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-11-2002, 01:20 AM

Tom, What a fascinating album that must be. I will wait impatiently for your promised photo's. Jerry Burney

09-10-2002, 11:46 AM	#1
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Slightly OT but interesting In my pursuit of Navy Lugers, I also pursue accoutrements and artifacts of the period to provide a context in which the pistols may be seen. Some of you may remember the exhibit Derek Seltzer and I did at KC two years ago, where in addition to the pistols, we had photographs of sailors, uniforms, boarding cutlasses, wehrpasses, etc all in attempt to put human faces behind these pistols. In any event, I acquired yesterday a photograph album of an Imperial Navy sailor who served on the Deutschland and later on the U70. It is dated 1913-1917. The photographs are absolutely amazing. It contains combat shots of Allied vessels being sunk, several with shots of the torpedoes in the water enroute to the target vessel. There are some facinating below decks shots of the torpedo room operations, the vessel commander (Cdr Wuntze) at the periscope and inspection of the boat for battle damage after an engagement. One particularly cool shot shows the U70 meeting with another Uboat on the high seas. Likewise portrayed are shots of captured crews being taken aboard as well as the standard "crew and comrade" pictures taken on liberty and at Christmas, etc. I have never run across anything like this before and wonder if anyone on the forum has. I have seen loads of W.W.II uboat albums but never a W.W.I version before. I will post some pix later. Tom A. <img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" />

09-10-2002, 06:47 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Tom, that is really interesting, real photographs of action scenes is fantastic! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Tom, What a fascinating album that must be. I will wait impatiently for your promised photo's. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-10-2002, 12:00 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	Tom, that's fascinating and I look forward to seeing the pictures. I was priveledged to once hear Herr Goebbler speak at a NAPCA meeting in Macon about service in the U-Boats during WW2. He was part of the crew of the U-Boat (U-505?) captured by the US Navy during the war and he even showed a film taken at the time that showed him among the crew coming on board the destroyer. Very interesting indeed.

09-10-2002, 06:02 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Just watched Das Boot last week, out of 40,000 submarine sailors 30,000 went under. Looking forward to the photos. Reference Doubs comment, the sailors captured were held in top secret status until end of war, an Enigma with codes was captured, didn't want anyone to know the codes were compromised. Doubs, can you add more details? RK

09-10-2002, 10:33 PM	#5
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hans Goebbler was a table holder at many gun shows, The Max Show, OVMS Shows for many years. He and his wife sold photos, mugs, T-shirts, etc. A wonderfull fellow, died about 3 years ago, if memory serves me right.

09-10-2002, 11:25 PM	#6
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Carl: <strong>Hans Goebbler was a table holder at many gun shows, The Max Show, OVMS Shows for many years. He and his wife sold photos, mugs, T-shirts, etc. A wonderfull fellow, died about 3 years ago, if memory serves me right.</strong><hr></blockquote> After his presentation at our meeting, I was outside and met Herr Goebbler on the sidewalk. He had a child of about 3 or 4 by the hand... a beautiful blue eyed, blonde haired girl. I asked if she was his granddaughter. He laughed and replied that she was, in fact, his daughter! He was well into his 70's and I didn't realize until that moment that the young 30-something woman and child acompanying him was his wife and daughter! His description of life on a U-Boat - especially the food and odors - didn't make anyone run out and volunteer for sub service. Everything stank of diesel fumes, sweat and rotting food. The U-505, IIRC, is on display somewhere around Chicago.