Luger identication help

[Ron Smith]

"In my “ignorant” opinion, this is a refinished gun with replacement parts and an obvious forgery that is an attempt to replicate an early Portuguese test piece. I also find it amusing that an outstanding restoration could not be made in Portugal…there are “artisans” in every country!"

Pepe,

At the risk of being ignorant, jealous, ill informed, pregnant or brain damaged. I'm not an expert on the mechanical aspects of 1900 Lugers, but I'm with my friend Ron. Your Luger is a beautifully done, restored 1900. It is a nice Luger, but not original. The finish is too dark (black) and the straw on the trigger and safety is too bright, like brass.

Ron

[pepe]

new pictures

[alanint]

The new photos are better. They make the poor fitting grips that much more obvious. This is a restored gun with new, replacement grips.

[pepe]

Assuming it is a refinished gun does it have any value in the luger matket ?

[Imperial Arms]

Thanks for the better images. My comments will follow tomorrow after reviewing the images. Briefly, I do now observe some partial restoration, and I always try to avoid rushing to judgement unlike some other collectors on the forums.

Albert

[lugerholsterrepair]

I truely am ignorant and still a student..Why is the upper left corner of the sideplate rounded? Are 1900's this way? I don't own one so it looks odd to me...

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

I always try to avoid rushing to judgement unlike some other collectors on the forums.

Albert

I think I'll let that one slide.

In your deliberation before you render your opinion, I would appreciate your giving these images the benefit of your expert and careful analysis.

[Ron Wood]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Why is the upper left corner of the sideplate rounded? Are 1900's this way?

No.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Ron, Thanks!

[nukem556]

I'm guessing Rons' point about the toggle knobs might involve those flats....looking at my 1900, there is only a bare hint of one on the lock side, on the other side, the scallop cuts all the way into touching the serrations.

[alanint]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

Thanks for the better images. My comments will follow tomorrow after reviewing the images. Briefly, I do now observe some partial restoration, and I always try to avoid rushing to judgement unlike some other collectors on the forums.

Albert

Better late than never, eh, Albert? We breathlessly await your expert opinion. Please, educate us all!

[Imperial Arms]

After reviewing the better images, I suppose that I can now make the following comments without rushing like other people. Remember that "you are innocent until proven guilty":

1. The trigger, safety lever and takedown lever are restrawed; the ejector and toggle lock appear to be original straw;
2. The left grip is a replacement and the right grip appears to be fine;
3. The front sight appears to be fire-blued, but difficult to determine if it is original;
4. I suppose that the major parts of the pistol has been refinished, with the restorer paying attention to specific details.

Lastly, this pistol is not a total 'fake', instead it has been partially restored; it has not been altered to enhance its rarity. Considering that these pistols are forbidden in certain EU countries such as Portugal (and France), I sometimes wonder which expert does an excellent restoration without creating to much exposure in that country.

Albert

[Norme]

Albert, I'm sorry that my colleagues on the forum are giving you such a hard time, I don't think they appreciate the subtleties of Maltese humor. I do, however, and can't wait to get back to debating the great Russian/Bulgarian issue with you. Your friend, Norm

[wlyon]

Albert ; I do not usually get involved in squabbles on the forums. However I for one am tired of your continual attitude problems.
I am sure you have a great deal of luger knowledge but this is generally negated by your attitude towards forum members.
We are all here to learn but you abuse the privilege.
I am convinced you can not help yourself but please try.
Norm above states it's Maltese humor. To me its plain old American Rude.
Have a great day
Bill

[sheepherder]

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[pepe]

Thank very much for all the opinians

But the discussion was to tecnical for me and poor english !

Can someone give me some kind of conclusion ?The gun is a is a Collectible or a Shooter?

This it worth 1000 dollars ?
regards
pepe

PS (sorry for my english )

[Norme]

Originally Posted by Imperial Arms

Lastly, this pistol is not a total 'fake', instead it has been partially restored; it has not been altered to enhance its rarity.

Albert

Hi Albert, I know nothing about 1900 Lugers, so I'm not going to comment about this particular gun, I'll leave it to those who do. However, a type III safety on an early gun sounds like more than a "partial restoration". Also, to me, being partially restored is like being slightly pregnant, the end result is the same. Best regards, Norm

[alanint]

Pepe,

Si me puedo dirigir en Espanol, Tu pistola es un "Shooter' pero de la mejor calidad. Tiene ciertas deficiencias pero vale facilmente $1,000 US y quizas un poco mas.

Saludos,

[Ron Wood]

Pepe,
Yes, it is worth $1000 or "un poco mas". The indiviual parts are probably worth that much. It is collectable at a basic level as an example of a Model 1900. It looks very nice and would be acceptable to hold a place in a beginning collection until a better example could be found. It is unfortunate that it has been improperly refinished, because an example that early is very difficult to find and would be worth much more if properly restored.

[tomaustin]

operating under other names......same level of arrogance...tom