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Unread 04-04-2022, 09:32 PM   #1
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Default Georg Lugers' Baby Luger Sold!

https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...ototype-pistol
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The real 'Baby Luger'...Gortz & Sturgess; Dead Ends & Curiosa...

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Confusing! At Least Gives Some Background! Something Smells! https://www.proxibid.com/Pistols/Sem...ation/49407145
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Confusing! At Least Gives Some Background! Something Smells! https://www.proxibid.com/Pistols/Sem...ation/49407145
Eric, I'd guess that of the half-dozen of those shortened and chopped real GL Lugers made, only about three hundred of them still exist...
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I Agree Copys. There is an video comparing the counterfeit 'GL' https://www.forgottenweapons.com/aut...-script-luger/
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I doubt that a GL hallmarked Luger would have spliced grips.
It shows it was from the "RS" collection in Kenyon's book.
IMO, someone paid $92000 for a replica.
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Caveat Emptor, Latin For Buyer Beware!!!! Law Suit Time!!!!
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The Proxybid page says it sold for $150,000
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I Wish We Could Get A Picture to Compare!
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Ralph's Luger pictured at 'Lugers At Random' and on his wall taken by Ted!!!
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Check Out Rear Toggle link` Looks Modern!
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The both have wrong toggles! Heres a 1902 toggle`
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Ralph had a lot of strange and wonderful things, made very far from Berlin. Butt he would always give you your money back if you did not like it. He would tell the next buyer that the money he gave back was what he paid for it.
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The both have wrong toggles! Heres a 1902 toggle`
The Red Book 'Baby' toggle knob more resembles the Swiss toggle, I think...The 'Pocket Parabellum' as it is called in the Red Book, is headlined as "The Pocket Parabellum of 1925/6", and is noted as being developed after Luger's death in 1923. Also after the introduction of the knurled toggle knobs.
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Sheepherder, does the Red book "baby" have a GL hallmark?
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Sheepherder, does the Red book "baby" have a GL hallmark?
The text for ser#4 (the pic above) does not say, and there is no pic of the rear of the frame/bbl extension. It does say that August Weiss testified that 'four or five'...prototypes were made up under BKIW's then chief engineer Heinrich Hoffmann, ca 1925/6.

There is additional discussion of fakes/repros being made for a prominent Phoenix AZ Luger dealer as well as a "prominent West Coast dealer and Parabellum copyist". I have no idea who those two might be, but IIRC, Mike Krause made a copy of the 'Pocket Parabellum' based on ser#4...

TBLAP; interesting reading. But at 1888 pages, an arduous task.
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