Data request 1937 and 1938 S/42 - Page 2

Jan C Still · 01-09-2005, 12:28 PM

Jim
Thanks for the photograph.
Jan

byf42 · 01-09-2005, 10:09 PM

1938 3483m SE83 / SE 63 MTP. matching mag has SE83

1938 7433g Looks like SE83 / SE 63 MTP. The first is hard to tell but under light and magnification looks like an 83.

hope this helps.

M. Holt

Lyn Islaub · 01-09-2005, 10:58 PM

Jan,
1937 S/42 S/N 6047u DE63 DE63 MTP
1938 S/42 S/N 6796i SE63 SE63 MTP
1938 S/42 S/N 1242k SE63 SE63 MTP
Lyn

Jan C Still · 01-09-2005, 11:48 PM

byf42 and Idoman
Thanks for your data. Table updated.
Jan

max2cam · 01-12-2005, 02:42 PM

Not real clear how this one fits in, but here's my Luger:

"1938"
SN#7692 (BUT mismatched S/42 gothic "S" toggle)
Left proof: Stick Eagle "63" (strong & definite)
Middle proof: Stick Eagle "?" (faint worn 2-digit die)
Right proof: "Imperial" (type) eagle
VOPO gun mit Neu Brandenburg marking

Freischütz · 01-12-2005, 10:05 PM

1937 S/42 sn 4497x DE/63 DE/63 MTP

Jan C Still · 01-12-2005, 10:50 PM

maxcam
Thanks for the data. As it is not certain if frame and receiver match, I will have to pass.
FreischÃ?Â¼tz
Thanks for the data. Table updated.
Jan

RAHamilton · 01-13-2005, 02:49 PM

Jan:

1938 S/42 (SN) 9104m SE83-SE63-MTP. Another to add to your data base. Good luck with your survey.

Best Regards,
Bob

Jan C Still · 01-13-2005, 04:20 PM

Bob
Thanks for the data. Table updated.
Good collecting!
Jan

Daniel · 01-14-2005, 11:19 AM

Here's mine,

1937 S/N 2604 v DE63,DE63,MTP
1937 S/N 9512 y SE63,SE63,MTP
1937 S/N 6805 y SE63,DE63,MTP
1938 S/N 3235 SE63,SE63,MTP ( upper only )

Best of luck, Daniel

Jan C Still · 01-14-2005, 12:29 PM

Daniel
Thanks for the information. Table updated
Jan

max2cam · 01-16-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jan C. Still
maxcam
Thanks for the data. As it is not certain if frame and receiver match, I will have to pass.

Jan

Jan,

Actually the frame and 1938-dated receiver DO match. The number 7692 appears on the left side of the receiver just above the thumb latch. The same number 7692 also appears on the front of the frame below the barrel. There is no letter with either number. Neither number is struck over or ground off. Both pieces show field use.

The sideplate, toggle and toggle-link are the mismatched parts: Toggle link is marked "S/42" BUT with a Fraktur style "S" which I take to be a 1934 part. The toggle & link assembly appear to be a brand-new condition unit based on their identical color and like-new satiny finish.

Can you tell me this about my gun: Because the mismatched Mauser coded toggle-assembly appears to be a 1934(?) part and NOT original to the 1938 receiver and frame, could the 1938 dated receiver and frame be any other manufacturer BESIDES Mauser?

If so, what other manufacturer could such a 1938-dated Luger with no other marking outside of proof stamps be?

Thanks!

Jan C Still · 01-16-2005, 11:54 PM

max2cam
Thanks for the information.

Your 1938 dated Luger is a partly mismatched Vopo rework(these Lugers are sometimes re-manufactured from mismatched parts). My experience with reworks is that mismatched parts can be made to match. Sometimes the serial number on the front of the frame will be machined off and matched by applying newly stamped letters. Sometimes such a reworked/reserialed frame can be difficult to detect. Such an example is shown on page 114 of Weimar Lugers.

The research at hand concerns the acceptance stamps and serial numbers found on 1937 and 1938 dated Lugers applied during the manufacturing/proofing process. In my opinion, it is best to leave out reworked Lugers, to avoid possible mistakes.
Jan

max2cam · 01-18-2005, 10:35 AM

Jan,

You know your stuff!

I went back and dismantled my Luger and took a closer look at the number on the frame. Sure enough, it does look ground off there and with a magnifying glass I can detect 2 faint numbers behind the "7692." So this Luger appears to be more of parts gun than I thought.

Am I correct to think the Fraktur "S" S/42 toggle assembly makes that a 1934-only part?

The stamping on the receiver looks original, but who knows!

Yes, a VOPO gun. From somebody elses post I think it has the Neu Brandenburg VOPO sunburst marking and district number. Also shows the capture "X".

This gun must have had an interesting history -- or "guns" in this instance.

Thanks!

Jamka · 02-16-2005, 12:58 PM

Jan,

This is a late reaction, but my job kept me away from my Luger for more then a full month...

Before I go to the basement with a magnifying glass and a torch, I would like to know if you want data from all the 1937 dated Lugers. Apart from 2 S/42 I also have:
Krieghoff (1),
Latvian contract v suffix (5)
Commercial (2) v suffix.

The 4 1938 dated I have are all S/42 stamped.

As soon as you tell me what to look for, and what not, I will do the job and let you know the results shortly.

Best regards,

trigger643 · 02-26-2005, 06:09 PM

cleaning out my archieve: 1938 S/42 SE/83 SE/63, two matching SE/63 mags. SER# 6526 t, have pictures, but sold on GB 2/04

minigun · 03-16-2005, 12:01 AM

Jan,
All matching 1937 S/42 Sn: 3997 (suffix is either a "Z" or "Y"-there was a thread with this debate a few months ago on my Luger where most think it is a "Z". Due to the gothic script, it's hard to read).

-Straight Wing 63
-Drooped Wing 63
-(next bird is the typical one: like John Sabato's '37 S/42 sn:8091a MTP????)

Jan C Still · 03-16-2005, 12:12 PM

minigun
Thanks for the information. Table updated.
trigger
The "t" sn range may be in error. Please check.
Thanks
Jan

Shadowlord · 06-14-2005, 08:37 PM

1937 S/42, sn 671 s, DE/63 DE/63 MTP

wlyon · 06-14-2005, 11:57 PM

Jan 1937 S-42 Serial number 1789q DE 63 DE 63 MTP Straw Bill LYON

02-16-2005, 12:58 PM	#35
Jamka RIP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Antwerp Belgium Posts: 51 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Jan, This is a late reaction, but my job kept me away from my Luger for more then a full month... Before I go to the basement with a magnifying glass and a torch, I would like to know if you want data from all the 1937 dated Lugers. Apart from 2 S/42 I also have: Krieghoff (1), Latvian contract v suffix (5) Commercial (2) v suffix. The 4 1938 dated I have are all S/42 stamped. As soon as you tell me what to look for, and what not, I will do the job and let you know the results shortly. Best regards, __________________ Joop

02-26-2005, 06:09 PM	#36
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	cleaning out my archieve: 1938 S/42 SE/83 SE/63, two matching SE/63 mags. SER# 6526 t, have pictures, but sold on GB 2/04 __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

06-14-2005, 11:57 PM	#40
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Jan 1937 S-42 Serial number 1789q DE 63 DE 63 MTP Straw Bill LYON __________________ Bill Lyon

01-09-2005, 12:28 PM	#21
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Jim Thanks for the photograph. Jan

01-09-2005, 10:09 PM	#22
byf42 User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Great Plains Posts: 74 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1938 3483m SE83 / SE 63 MTP. matching mag has SE83 1938 7433g Looks like SE83 / SE 63 MTP. The first is hard to tell but under light and magnification looks like an 83. hope this helps. M. Holt

01-09-2005, 10:58 PM	#23
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Jan, 1937 S/42 S/N 6047u DE63 DE63 MTP 1938 S/42 S/N 6796i SE63 SE63 MTP 1938 S/42 S/N 1242k SE63 SE63 MTP Lyn

01-09-2005, 11:48 PM	#24
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	byf42 and Idoman Thanks for your data. Table updated. Jan

01-12-2005, 02:42 PM	#25
max2cam User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not real clear how this one fits in, but here's my Luger: "1938" SN#7692 (BUT mismatched S/42 gothic "S" toggle) Left proof: Stick Eagle "63" (strong & definite) Middle proof: Stick Eagle "?" (faint worn 2-digit die) Right proof: "Imperial" (type) eagle VOPO gun mit Neu Brandenburg marking

01-12-2005, 10:05 PM	#26
Freischütz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 125 Thanks: 9 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts	1937 S/42 sn 4497x DE/63 DE/63 MTP

01-12-2005, 10:50 PM	#27
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	maxcam Thanks for the data. As it is not certain if frame and receiver match, I will have to pass. FreischÃ?Â¼tz Thanks for the data. Table updated. Jan

01-13-2005, 02:49 PM	#28
RAHamilton User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sioux City, Iowa Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jan: 1938 S/42 (SN) 9104m SE83-SE63-MTP. Another to add to your data base. Good luck with your survey. Best Regards, Bob

01-13-2005, 04:20 PM	#29
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Bob Thanks for the data. Table updated. Good collecting! Jan

01-14-2005, 11:19 AM	#30
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here's mine, 1937 S/N 2604 v DE63,DE63,MTP 1937 S/N 9512 y SE63,SE63,MTP 1937 S/N 6805 y SE63,DE63,MTP 1938 S/N 3235 SE63,SE63,MTP ( upper only ) Best of luck, Daniel

01-14-2005, 12:29 PM	#31
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Daniel Thanks for the information. Table updated Jan

01-16-2005, 11:54 PM	#33
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	max2cam Thanks for the information. Your 1938 dated Luger is a partly mismatched Vopo rework(these Lugers are sometimes re-manufactured from mismatched parts). My experience with reworks is that mismatched parts can be made to match. Sometimes the serial number on the front of the frame will be machined off and matched by applying newly stamped letters. Sometimes such a reworked/reserialed frame can be difficult to detect. Such an example is shown on page 114 of Weimar Lugers. The research at hand concerns the acceptance stamps and serial numbers found on 1937 and 1938 dated Lugers applied during the manufacturing/proofing process. In my opinion, it is best to leave out reworked Lugers, to avoid possible mistakes. Jan

01-18-2005, 10:35 AM	#34
max2cam User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jan, You know your stuff! I went back and dismantled my Luger and took a closer look at the number on the frame. Sure enough, it does look ground off there and with a magnifying glass I can detect 2 faint numbers behind the "7692." So this Luger appears to be more of parts gun than I thought. Am I correct to think the Fraktur "S" S/42 toggle assembly makes that a 1934-only part? The stamping on the receiver looks original, but who knows! Yes, a VOPO gun. From somebody elses post I think it has the Neu Brandenburg VOPO sunburst marking and district number. Also shows the capture "X". This gun must have had an interesting history -- or "guns" in this instance. Thanks!

03-16-2005, 12:01 AM	#37
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Jan, All matching 1937 S/42 Sn: 3997 (suffix is either a "Z" or "Y"-there was a thread with this debate a few months ago on my Luger where most think it is a "Z". Due to the gothic script, it's hard to read). -Straight Wing 63 -Drooped Wing 63 -(next bird is the typical one: like John Sabato's '37 S/42 sn:8091a MTP????)

03-16-2005, 12:12 PM	#38
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	minigun Thanks for the information. Table updated. trigger The "t" sn range may be in error. Please check. Thanks Jan

06-14-2005, 08:37 PM	#39
Shadowlord New User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Winder, GA Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1937 S/42, sn 671 s, DE/63 DE/63 MTP