Interesting Parts Auction...

Pete Ebbink · 10-05-2002, 12:54 PM

Now running on E-bay.

There appears to be a fully intact magazine safety device in the mix...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...719113610#DESC

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Hugh · 10-05-2002, 06:05 PM

There you go Pete, telling everybody about it! Now I'll have to pay twice as much for it! <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Alain · 10-07-2002, 08:03 AM

Hi,

Because I am a French user, Ebay does not allow viewing the pics and info regarding such ads.
I think German users also face restricted access.

There was a few years ago a scandal if not a lawsuit regarding nazi propaganda stuff being considered aucionned in France or Germany as the web site was accessible to local users.
They considerd this from a legal territoriality point of view. So now to be safe Ebay generally and by principle ban us from viewing anything to do do with Germany, WWII, militaria, guns , etc...

If you members judge that interesting items for sale do not fall within this category, it would be very kind to post directly the pictures so that some ostracized internet users and fellow members can see them.

Thank you

Alain

Alain · 10-07-2002, 08:04 AM

Quote:

"Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country. Based on our discussions with concerned government agencies and eBay community members, we have taken these steps to reduce the chance of inappropriate items being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases this policy may prevent users from accessing items that do not violate the law. At this time, we are working on less restrictive alternatives. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you, and we hope you may find other items of interest on eBay."

Unquote

Pete Ebbink · 10-07-2002, 09:53 AM

Alain,

Here are a couple of representative photos of those luger parts that were on auction.

Sorry to hear your internet is so censored...

Regards,

Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

Alain · 10-07-2002, 10:00 AM

Thanks Pete, I really appreciate.

We did a revolution but we have been very slow in our evolution process.
Our country lives in the past, that 's why we have great food, museums, cities,300 different sorts of cheese,etc...
The devellopment of the internet has been very
much countered by our "dirigiste" governments.
I started a few years ago with friends a secure internet transaction verification service company.
There is still a lot of center of the world village mentality.
We are more into CafÃ?Â©s than internet.

Anyway thanks again.

Regards,

Alain

G.W. Gill · 10-07-2002, 11:56 PM

Alain,

Could you give us an overview of what the firearms laws are in France? And where would your censors consider pushing the limit? Are WW1 lugers off topic?. From when to why? <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />

Wm. P. Ebbink, I apoligize, I should have asked this in the discussion forum.

Alain · 10-13-2002, 07:16 PM

While we French always complain, it is not that bad.
After signing up with an authorised shooting range gun club, one must regularly shoot guns available for rent there. After a period of time ranging from 6 months to a year, the pdt of the club issues you a favorable recommendation to apply for a gun purchase/ holding permit. Once this has bounced back to you after a check by the police that you have clean penal record and are not tagged as psycho or otherwise troubled/troublesome person, you are then issued with one permit to purchase a gun in a given category.
We have several categories:
1st- military weapons: 9mm; cal 45; cal 30; etc..
2nd- armoured vehicles,vessels or aircraft carrying or delivering weapons (not our subject)
3rd- forgot
4th- rim fire guns, i.e. 22 cal pistols & revolvers for instance and 38 special, 44
5th- rifles for hunting and sports, just by showing your ID
6th- edged weapons
7th- forgot
8th- collectors pistols, revolvers and carbines.(and also demilled guns) Usually rare and obsolete: Luger carbine, C96 carbine, Colt 1900 under serial 2000 (but not the 1902), 1873 French revolver but not 1892, Kolibri; Adler pistol; Schwarzlose pistol; about 40 guns total.
Alas no 1900 Lugers, not even a 1904 Navy Luger would be accepted in this category, even if impossible to find and beyond the budget of an ordinary bank robber (before the robbery...)

In total, the shooter can own only 6 central fire cartridge guns.
And there is no collector status (as in Germany)all collectors have to be either shooters or discrete. To benefit from the collector status in France one must be a museum open to the public and display only non fuctionnal and demilled guns.

I hope this inform you you better and makes you quite happy to live in the US where you can buy guns at a much cheaper price due to the large market.

Rgds

Alain

G.W. Gill · 10-13-2002, 10:18 PM

Thanks Alain,

The lady here wishes I could only have six. She doesn't like gunshows anymore than I like clothes shopping. She always finds something unique in the jewelry though. And I think I spend a lot more time sitting in the chair at the dept. store than time spent at gunshows. [img]wink.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 10-14-2002, 09:53 AM

<img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" />

Ah yes, The infamous "Husband" chair outside the fitting room at most department stores... I am also well acquainted with this chair!

mauro · 10-14-2002, 04:06 PM

Hi Alain,
Je suis vraiment contant de savoir que un franÃ?Â§ais participe au Luger Forum. I am Italian but I work in Rueil-Malmaison, close to Paris. According to French restriction in gun topics I have my collection in Italy where the market is more interesting. This week I will go to the Ã¢??Bourse aux ArmesÃ¢?Â in Nogent sur Marne.
A trÃ?Â¨s bientÃ?Â´t.
Ciao
Mauro

Vlim · 10-16-2002, 07:47 AM

Hi Alain,

There is a simple trick to bypass this ebay europe censoring. Just make sure your windows PC runs completely in US settings (timezone, etc..).

[img]biggrin.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 10-16-2002, 10:47 AM

What an interesting undocumented feature of Microsoft Windows...

How do they prevent Macintosh users in Europe from seeing the verboten items? If at all...

10-05-2002, 12:54 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Interesting Parts Auction... Now running on E-bay. There appears to be a fully intact magazine safety device in the mix... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...719113610#DESC Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

10-05-2002, 06:05 PM	#2
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	There you go Pete, telling everybody about it! Now I'll have to pay twice as much for it! <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-14-2002, 09:53 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	<img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" /> Ah yes, The infamous "Husband" chair outside the fitting room at most department stores... I am also well acquainted with this chair! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-14-2002, 04:06 PM	#11
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Alain, Je suis vraiment contant de savoir que un franÃ?Â§ais participe au Luger Forum. I am Italian but I work in Rueil-Malmaison, close to Paris. According to French restriction in gun topics I have my collection in Italy where the market is more interesting. This week I will go to the Ã¢??Bourse aux ArmesÃ¢?Â in Nogent sur Marne. A trÃ?Â¨s bientÃ?Â´t. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

10-16-2002, 10:47 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	What an interesting undocumented feature of Microsoft Windows... How do they prevent Macintosh users in Europe from seeing the verboten items? If at all... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-07-2002, 08:03 AM	#3
Alain Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: france Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, Because I am a French user, Ebay does not allow viewing the pics and info regarding such ads. I think German users also face restricted access. There was a few years ago a scandal if not a lawsuit regarding nazi propaganda stuff being considered aucionned in France or Germany as the web site was accessible to local users. They considerd this from a legal territoriality point of view. So now to be safe Ebay generally and by principle ban us from viewing anything to do do with Germany, WWII, militaria, guns , etc... If you members judge that interesting items for sale do not fall within this category, it would be very kind to post directly the pictures so that some ostracized internet users and fellow members can see them. Thank you Alain

10-07-2002, 08:04 AM	#4
Alain Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: france Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: "Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country. Based on our discussions with concerned government agencies and eBay community members, we have taken these steps to reduce the chance of inappropriate items being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases this policy may prevent users from accessing items that do not violate the law. At this time, we are working on less restrictive alternatives. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause you, and we hope you may find other items of interest on eBay." Unquote

10-07-2002, 09:53 AM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Alain, Here are a couple of representative photos of those luger parts that were on auction. Sorry to hear your internet is so censored... Regards, Pete... <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />

10-07-2002, 10:00 AM	#6
Alain Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: france Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Pete, I really appreciate. We did a revolution but we have been very slow in our evolution process. Our country lives in the past, that 's why we have great food, museums, cities,300 different sorts of cheese,etc... The devellopment of the internet has been very much countered by our "dirigiste" governments. I started a few years ago with friends a secure internet transaction verification service company. There is still a lot of center of the world village mentality. We are more into CafÃ?Â©s than internet. Anyway thanks again. Regards, Alain

10-07-2002, 11:56 PM	#7
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Alain, Could you give us an overview of what the firearms laws are in France? And where would your censors consider pushing the limit? Are WW1 lugers off topic?. From when to why? <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> Wm. P. Ebbink, I apoligize, I should have asked this in the discussion forum.

10-13-2002, 07:16 PM	#8
Alain Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: france Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	While we French always complain, it is not that bad. After signing up with an authorised shooting range gun club, one must regularly shoot guns available for rent there. After a period of time ranging from 6 months to a year, the pdt of the club issues you a favorable recommendation to apply for a gun purchase/ holding permit. Once this has bounced back to you after a check by the police that you have clean penal record and are not tagged as psycho or otherwise troubled/troublesome person, you are then issued with one permit to purchase a gun in a given category. We have several categories: 1st- military weapons: 9mm; cal 45; cal 30; etc.. 2nd- armoured vehicles,vessels or aircraft carrying or delivering weapons (not our subject) 3rd- forgot 4th- rim fire guns, i.e. 22 cal pistols & revolvers for instance and 38 special, 44 5th- rifles for hunting and sports, just by showing your ID 6th- edged weapons 7th- forgot 8th- collectors pistols, revolvers and carbines.(and also demilled guns) Usually rare and obsolete: Luger carbine, C96 carbine, Colt 1900 under serial 2000 (but not the 1902), 1873 French revolver but not 1892, Kolibri; Adler pistol; Schwarzlose pistol; about 40 guns total. Alas no 1900 Lugers, not even a 1904 Navy Luger would be accepted in this category, even if impossible to find and beyond the budget of an ordinary bank robber (before the robbery...) In total, the shooter can own only 6 central fire cartridge guns. And there is no collector status (as in Germany)all collectors have to be either shooters or discrete. To benefit from the collector status in France one must be a museum open to the public and display only non fuctionnal and demilled guns. I hope this inform you you better and makes you quite happy to live in the US where you can buy guns at a much cheaper price due to the large market. Rgds Alain

10-13-2002, 10:18 PM	#9
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Alain, The lady here wishes I could only have six. She doesn't like gunshows anymore than I like clothes shopping. She always finds something unique in the jewelry though. And I think I spend a lot more time sitting in the chair at the dept. store than time spent at gunshows. [img]wink.gif[/img]

10-16-2002, 07:47 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Hi Alain, There is a simple trick to bypass this ebay europe censoring. Just make sure your windows PC runs completely in US settings (timezone, etc..). [img]biggrin.gif[/img]