Pepper Spray for teachers???

[Steve Lempitski]

Arming teachers is out for a multitude of reasons - for starters the NEA and every teacher I know is extremely leftwing panicing at mention of firearms. Second pretend the teachers were armed in the scenario that just happened - say eight teachers fired at once, with 6 rounds hitting him, but one of the other 2 rounds killed a student...I can Imagine the lefty lawyers lining up for that one....What about pepper spray canisters - in the confines of the school, the ranges are maybe 25 feet max, pepper spray would not only incapacitate the attacker, but any innocents hit would not suffer any permanent injury....Maybe Im grasping at straws - thoughts?

[Vlim]

Train them in using a tazer. Non-lethal, but quite effective.

[Steve Lempitski]

I know that Ruger is a major pepper spray supplier, Would be awesome for the whole firearms owning community if they stepped forward with a program like this...

[jonnyc]

Not all us teachers are Huggy-Squeezy liberals. PA is full of gun-loving teachers who would be happy to be able to better protect our students.

[Steve Lempitski]

Good to hear there are some teachers who think the "right" way - unfortunately in my neck of the woods, MA, or the site of the shooting CT, that would never happen. I just cant see how with the potential for litigation any school district would allow teachers to be armed with guns - just the remote possibilty of an accidental discharge I can easily see at least a million dollar lawsuit...never mind a situation where a student somehow got ahold of the gun

[lugerholsterrepair]

Facing down a dedicated homicidal maniac armed with an array of lethal firearms equipt with a can of pepper spray would qualify you for the Medal of Honor for bravery.. albeit.. awarded posthumously.

One must consider the mindset of the defender..most people have never been under fire. Trained Soldiers are frequently drilled for months and perhaps years to endure the event and sometimes fail when they encounter it. A mild mannered caregiver/teacher is unlikely to provide the defense/offence necessary to find the dusty tazer or cannister, provide adequate cover, locate the attacker and aggressively hit hard enough to stop the attack. The bravery of the Principle at Newtown was extraodinary..apparently she gave it her best effort with her bare hands.

[Steve Lempitski]

Possibly - but seems to me a pepper spray canister is a hell of a lot more than the teachers had last Friday...

[cirelaw]

What do you think will become of this? The anti-guns group are already lineing up!

[lew1]

Originally Posted by Vlim

Train them in using a tazer. Non-lethal, but quite effective.

Unless one has heart problems.

[lew1]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

What do you think will become of this? The antis are already lineing up!

At least a ban on new specified semi auto rifles.

Could be a restriction on ammo sales, for example going back to the time when one had to show a driver's license to buy ammo. (Some places already have restrictions for example - like Illinois where you can't buy ammo unless one has a FOID card.)

Possible reclassification of specified semi auto rifles as NFA weapons, like they did to the streetsweeper shotgun some years ago.

[Steve Lempitski]

MA is same - the concealed permit or shotgun/rifle permit has to be shown to buy ammo. I would not be surprised to see all these military/assault rifles and high capacity pistols become class 3 restricted

[cirelaw]

In Florida you take a few hour course offered at every gunshow and a background check and a fingerprint card and for a nominal free you are issued a 'CONCEALED WEAPON OR FIREARMS LICENCE' carry a firearm which allows you to buy a firearm on the spot and its good for 7 years. The problem is if your a nutcase within the 7 years those records never seem to make it upstairs. There will be some heated debates before our personal right vanish with the wind. Eric

[Steve Lempitski]

Interesting - MA concealed permits are good for 6 years for $100.00, the renewal can take up to 3 months. The town PD issuing it explained the length of time is due to mental health history searches..

[sheepherder]

According to a news report I read, several of the teachers had state carry-concealed permits, but were required by Ct state law [Gun-Free School Zone] to leave them at home...

IMHO, a program for teachers, and other institutions (Post Office, etc), similar to the airline pilots program would be a much more effective way to deal with situations like this...

In a related vein, the Japanese loonies released Ricin gas in a subway, but no one has recommended the ban of chemicals; in Guatamala some years ago, a cane farmer went on a rampage with his machete, but there were no cries for banning machetes; and more examples abound throughout the world & through the years...

One newsman on TV advocated screening individuals for anti-social tendencies...Yeah! Let's do that! Let's set up camps to send them to!

[NoncomRetired]

It was just on local news here that a discussion to train and arm educational staff in the St Louis city schools will happen. This move has been recommended by the top City cop.

[cirelaw]

Im sure mass media will try making all of us!

[NoncomRetired]

Originally Posted by NoncomRetired

It was just on local news here that a discussion to train and arm educational staff in the St Louis city schools will happen. This move has been recommended by the top City cop.

Correction: St Louis County schools...not City.

[Edward Tinker]

Most people who CCW, probably shouldn't, no offense to them, but to really defend yourself and others takes years of practice.

Secure rooms and lock-down areas / hallways would be the most effective; yes it could lock folks down at the same time, but then you would have secure rooms in each area.

Just no one expects children to be attacked, so the security has gone to high schools and the like...

[Steve Lempitski]

Something major is going to happen - in societies eyes the fact that 20 kids aged 6 and 7 are dead is far more egregious than if 20 adults had been killed.

[lew1]

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Most people who CCW, probably shouldn't, no offense to them, but to really defend yourself and others takes years of practice.

Secure rooms and lock-down areas / hallways would be the most effective; yes it could lock folks down at the same time, but then you would have secure rooms in each area.

Just no one expects children to be attacked, so the security has gone to high schools and the like...

A big deal is being made about security in the schools. But at the two local schools, if one wanted to get at the kids, just wait until school is over and the kids leave. A large number of kids in a mass of kids coming out of the school, heading to the school buses, parent's cars, and those going to walk home. Or go to the Friday night foot ball game, many parents, but even more kids (and adults) all massed in one group, unable to move freely.

I have picked up my two grand kids at their school in Greensburg, PA. Fine - I have a sign I put in the driver's window, I drive up to the door and then the teacher sends the two grandkids out. The next car follows the same system, and so on. The rest are still inside the building. School buses load from three different doors. That has been the system for at least the last 4 years. And they have not had any problems.

A lot of difference between the school there and the two schools here.