Stuck bullet in barrel - Page 2

mrerick · 07-26-2017, 06:49 PM

Eric, the most common cause is reloading a cartridge without putting in any powder, just the primer and bullet.

Even the most systematic reloader can make a mistake like this, especially when distracted.

It's one reason I never shoot someone else's reloads, and don't buy commercially reloaded ammunition.

I have never reloaded a squib round like this, but I'm ever vigilant to prevent one. This included always double checking every single reloaded round on my progressive press.

I even installed illumination to make it easier to see powder level:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIraXq6u0VY

cirelaw · 07-26-2017, 07:00 PM

Thank Marc~Does it only happen with reloads or am I safe with the old white box?

ithacaartist · 07-26-2017, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gunbugs

DO NOT use wood. Use aluminum, brass or steel, ONE PIECE rods that are near bore diameter, and do not protrude from the bore more than about 6" from the end you are going to tap on... DO NOT use wood, of any type.

Doug, I'll buy that! I think the salient point we can all agree on is protection of the bore. So, any material of lesser hardness that will take a whack with a hammer, avoid making a bad situation worse by getting itself stuck or broken, and configured for a slick fit down the pipe should, plus lubricant, do the trick. Fashion a slip-on cap to keep the pounded end from digging up its face and you could use a dead blow hammer. And the cap will keep the end of the rod from being peened...

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Does it only happen with reloads or am I safe with the old white box?

Eric, although it's theoretically possible to encounter a WWB squibb round, the odds against one being loaded off-spec enough to cause problems make them safe for all practical/reasonable considerations. I'm thinking that they are probably quite good about quality control, considering that their product produces an explosion in a small appliance that is held basically in front of one's face. With your background, you could probably explain the liabilities and regulations better than I! Do-it-yourself ammo can be exquisitely precise...or the opposite. If a round with not enough powder makes it through the process, whether in the factory or personal workshop, there's your squibb. They sound odd when shot, so if it does, unload and check that bore if there's any doubt. Firing another round into the system with an obstructed barrel = very bad.

cirelaw · 07-26-2017, 07:12 PM

Pardon Me for another stupid Eric question! Is there that much savings in buying a new box at Walmart than go through the brass collection, task and time to reload? My arm would would fall of after twenty!!

DonVoigt · 07-26-2017, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Pardon Me for another stupid Eric question! Is there that much savings in buying a new box at Walmart than go through the brass collection, task and time to reload? My arm would would fall of after twenty!!

Depends on you opinion of how much is "much"!

Some folks enjoy it; I don't.
I have way too many ways to "waste time" without re-loading.

cirelaw · 07-26-2017, 07:35 PM

I guess its like my mom enjoying sewing! TKS

ithacaartist · 07-26-2017, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Pardon Me for another stupid Eric question! Is there that much savings in buying a new box at Walmart than go through the brass collection, task and time to reload? My arm would would fall of after twenty!!

Lol! Eric, it's up to the individual guy to decide what is enough or too much. Reloading is not for everybody, obviously. 9 mm ammo is the least expensive/round in general, and WWB is well worth the money, unless your labor comes at the firm's rates! Reloading offers the satisfaction of some cost savings, the pride of accomplishment, and the advantage of being able to create very consistent ammo, which helps accuracy. Weighed against the need to learn the skills, taking the time to apply them thereafter, plus an investment in equipment and supplies, it's an activity that may not appeal to some.

sheepherder · 07-26-2017, 08:13 PM

Reloading is the only way to find the 'sweet spot' of that particular firearm. You select a bullet and then compare various powder loads to see which one gives the best results. You may start off with a 115gr bullet and 3.5grs of W231 and shoot a 3" group. Then as you increase the powder by 1/10th gr it may drop to 2 7/8"...Then another tenth and 2 1/2" 5-shot groups...Then suddenly, at maybe 4.7 grs, you shoot a 1 1/8" group...Then if you increase any more, the groups start increasing again...So that particular powder load, for that bullet and that firearm, is the ideal load.

Commercial ammunition is a compromise to allow the best results in ALL firearms, not just the one you have. Only by reloading can you achieve all that that firearm can deliver...

unitedcs · 07-26-2017, 08:27 PM

My charge alarm keeps me square, providing it's adjusted and has a good battery. As far as reloads go, I'll never again trust anyone's other than my own. I keep my blown up Glock 40cal barrel as a reminder hanging over the bench.

DavidJayUden · 07-26-2017, 09:58 PM

Regarding the reliability of factory loaded ammo, I help coach a local girls trap team, and it seems like weekly one will show me an unsafe factory AA Winchester or Winchester SuperTarget shell; split brass base, an "open" primer, smashed hull, etc. So far no excessive loads, knock on wood...
My reloads are not perfect, but I'm almost thinking that my average is better than Winchester's.
dju

gunbugs · 07-26-2017, 11:07 PM

I've reloaded WAY too many rounds for it to be "fun" anymore. It is just a necessary evil, and a chore. When I shoot an across the course highpower rifle match, the 88 rounds I fire would be about 130.00 in ammo. My handloads come in at about one third of that. Plus all the other shooting I do, it could become an expensive pursuit. But in the end, I don't really save any money, I just shoot more for the same dollar.

Major Tom · 07-28-2017, 08:36 AM

I enjoy handloading for all my firearms except for my Wasr 10 AK-47 for which surplus ammo is much cheaper. That dreaded "Phut" sound was my first squib load ever after 50+ years of reloading. Fortunately, the bullet came out of the barrel very easily with a few taps of a hammer and drill bit.

alanint · 07-28-2017, 09:53 AM

My one and only squib was with a muzzle can suppressed MP5. The curious thing is I got the opposite effect; pfff, pfff, pfff, POP! I had the presence of mind to stop, step back and run a rod down the barrel to find a bullet stuck about an inch past the chamber throat. It was pure chance that I wasn't running bursts through the gun, which would have complicated things considerably and probably ruined the barrel on a Transferrable gun and surely would have damaged the suppressor.
The louder report of all the gasses coming back through the ejection port was my only warning.

mrerick · 07-28-2017, 10:25 AM

I regularly teach the NRA reloading class (in fact, have one coming up in a week).

Everyone can have a spat of inattention or something interfere with the process and sequence of reloading. That's when it's important to be hyper-aware of the possibility of mistakes.

When I have one of those situations, I get out the bullet puller and back things up, unloading rounds, until I'm back where I'm sure things were right. Sometimes an entire session of necessary.

I also reload when wearing eye protection and something to protect my face. Primer accidents do happen.

While you can save a little money reloading rounds (for example a 115gn 9mm FMJ projectile is about 8 cents now; primer and powder 3 cents. So it costs about 11 cents a round to reload cases you already own. Best prices I've seen recently for brass ball ammo is about 20 to 21 cents a round. Casting recycled lead alloy can drop prices even more, but this is becoming more difficult as garages turn to zinc and iron tire weights. I have a few hundred pounds of lead alloy saved up from years ago when it was more plentiful.

You don't save that much money, especially when you consider the cost of the reloading equipment, and your time. If this is the only reason you want to reload, I would not consider it.

But - you do get control and with control the ability to do precision reloading. You can adjust the power level and OAL for precise performance. If this is your goal (and particularly when it comes to high power rifle reloading) it's something to consider.

There is a satisfaction to shooting what you make. There is also the consideration of a catastrophe (either social or physical) that would leave us only the choice of making our own ammunition.

So... best sit up straight, pay attention and enjoy!

noylj · 07-28-2017, 11:01 AM

I have removed stuck bullets with wood dowels. Worked great.
I would not stick ANY steel down my barrel.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/gunsmit...smithing_1106/
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...-prod1251.aspx
Loew's, Home Depot, Ace, and others should have brass, copper, aluminum, etc. rods available.
Of course, quickest can be to take it to gunsmith and he'll have it out in a couple of minutes.

Eugen · 07-28-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by noylj

Of course, quickest can be to take it to gunsmith and he'll have it out in a couple of minutes.

So true! But, that removes the excitement and drama of fiddling with it oneself.

flydive · 07-29-2017, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

My one and only squib was with a muzzle can suppressed MP5. The curious thing is I got the opposite effect; pfff, pfff, pfff, POP! I had the presence of mind to stop, step back and run a rod down the barrel to find a bullet stuck about an inch past the chamber throat. It was pure chance that I wasn't running bursts through the gun, which would have complicated things considerably and probably ruined the barrel on a Transferrable gun and surely would have damaged the suppressor.
The louder report of all the gasses coming back through the ejection port was my only warning.

Last April during an instructor training I was shown pictures of a police MP, barrel was cut in half for investigation, 6 bullets stuck in it!!
The barrel bulged at the end, but nobody was hurt.

unitedcs · 07-29-2017, 10:04 AM

This is why I'll never shoot anyones reload, far worse than a squib.

cirelaw · 07-29-2017, 10:29 AM

That Hurts!!

sheepherder · 07-29-2017, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by unitedcs

This is why I'll never shoot anyones reload, far worse than a squib.

Well, it's a POS Glock! What did you expect???

07-26-2017, 06:49 PM	#21
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Eric, the most common cause is reloading a cartridge without putting in any powder, just the primer and bullet. Even the most systematic reloader can make a mistake like this, especially when distracted. It's one reason I never shoot someone else's reloads, and don't buy commercially reloaded ammunition. I have never reloaded a squib round like this, but I'm ever vigilant to prevent one. This included always double checking every single reloaded round on my progressive press. I even installed illumination to make it easier to see powder level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIraXq6u0VY __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-26-2017, 08:13 PM	#28
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,181 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,438 Times in 2,327 Posts	Reloading is the only way to find the 'sweet spot' of that particular firearm. You select a bullet and then compare various powder loads to see which one gives the best results. You may start off with a 115gr bullet and 3.5grs of W231 and shoot a 3" group. Then as you increase the powder by 1/10th gr it may drop to 2 7/8"...Then another tenth and 2 1/2" 5-shot groups...Then suddenly, at maybe 4.7 grs, you shoot a 1 1/8" group...Then if you increase any more, the groups start increasing again...So that particular powder load, for that bullet and that firearm, is the ideal load. Commercial ammunition is a compromise to allow the best results in ALL firearms, not just the one you have. Only by reloading can you achieve all that that firearm can deliver... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-28-2017, 08:36 AM	#32
Major Tom User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: S.E. Iowa Posts: 481 Thanks: 531 Thanked 226 Times in 123 Posts	I enjoy handloading for all my firearms except for my Wasr 10 AK-47 for which surplus ammo is much cheaper. That dreaded "Phut" sound was my first squib load ever after 50+ years of reloading. Fortunately, the bullet came out of the barrel very easily with a few taps of a hammer and drill bit. __________________ I Build Custom Pistol Boxes

07-28-2017, 10:25 AM	#34
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,370 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	I regularly teach the NRA reloading class (in fact, have one coming up in a week). Everyone can have a spat of inattention or something interfere with the process and sequence of reloading. That's when it's important to be hyper-aware of the possibility of mistakes. When I have one of those situations, I get out the bullet puller and back things up, unloading rounds, until I'm back where I'm sure things were right. Sometimes an entire session of necessary. I also reload when wearing eye protection and something to protect my face. Primer accidents do happen. While you can save a little money reloading rounds (for example a 115gn 9mm FMJ projectile is about 8 cents now; primer and powder 3 cents. So it costs about 11 cents a round to reload cases you already own. Best prices I've seen recently for brass ball ammo is about 20 to 21 cents a round. Casting recycled lead alloy can drop prices even more, but this is becoming more difficult as garages turn to zinc and iron tire weights. I have a few hundred pounds of lead alloy saved up from years ago when it was more plentiful. You don't save that much money, especially when you consider the cost of the reloading equipment, and your time. If this is the only reason you want to reload, I would not consider it. But - you do get control and with control the ability to do precision reloading. You can adjust the power level and OAL for precise performance. If this is your goal (and particularly when it comes to high power rifle reloading) it's something to consider. There is a satisfaction to shooting what you make. There is also the consideration of a catastrophe (either social or physical) that would leave us only the choice of making our own ammunition. So... best sit up straight, pay attention and enjoy! __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-29-2017, 10:04 AM	#38
unitedcs User Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Land O Lakes, Florida Posts: 90 Thanks: 8 Thanked 30 Times in 15 Posts	Stuck squib This is why I'll never shoot anyones reload, far worse than a squib. Attached Thumbnails

07-26-2017, 07:00 PM	#22
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank Marc~Does it only happen with reloads or am I safe with the old white box?

07-26-2017, 07:12 PM	#24
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Pardon Me for another stupid Eric question! Is there that much savings in buying a new box at Walmart than go through the brass collection, task and time to reload? My arm would would fall of after twenty!!

07-26-2017, 07:35 PM	#26
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I guess its like my mom enjoying sewing! TKS

07-26-2017, 08:27 PM	#29
unitedcs User Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Land O Lakes, Florida Posts: 90 Thanks: 8 Thanked 30 Times in 15 Posts	My charge alarm keeps me square, providing it's adjusted and has a good battery. As far as reloads go, I'll never again trust anyone's other than my own. I keep my blown up Glock 40cal barrel as a reminder hanging over the bench.

07-26-2017, 09:58 PM	#30
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Regarding the reliability of factory loaded ammo, I help coach a local girls trap team, and it seems like weekly one will show me an unsafe factory AA Winchester or Winchester SuperTarget shell; split brass base, an "open" primer, smashed hull, etc. So far no excessive loads, knock on wood... My reloads are not perfect, but I'm almost thinking that my average is better than Winchester's. dju

07-26-2017, 11:07 PM	#31
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 635 Thanks: 335 Thanked 1,139 Times in 377 Posts	I've reloaded WAY too many rounds for it to be "fun" anymore. It is just a necessary evil, and a chore. When I shoot an across the course highpower rifle match, the 88 rounds I fire would be about 130.00 in ammo. My handloads come in at about one third of that. Plus all the other shooting I do, it could become an expensive pursuit. But in the end, I don't really save any money, I just shoot more for the same dollar.

07-28-2017, 09:53 AM	#33
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	My one and only squib was with a muzzle can suppressed MP5. The curious thing is I got the opposite effect; pfff, pfff, pfff, POP! I had the presence of mind to stop, step back and run a rod down the barrel to find a bullet stuck about an inch past the chamber throat. It was pure chance that I wasn't running bursts through the gun, which would have complicated things considerably and probably ruined the barrel on a Transferrable gun and surely would have damaged the suppressor. The louder report of all the gasses coming back through the ejection port was my only warning.

07-28-2017, 11:01 AM	#35
noylj User Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	I have removed stuck bullets with wood dowels. Worked great. I would not stick ANY steel down my barrel. http://www.shootingtimes.com/gunsmit...smithing_1106/ http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-to...-prod1251.aspx Loew's, Home Depot, Ace, and others should have brass, copper, aluminum, etc. rods available. Of course, quickest can be to take it to gunsmith and he'll have it out in a couple of minutes.

07-29-2017, 10:29 AM	#39
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	That Hurts!!