byf41 with Schiwy safety - cond. 99%

Gebirg · 05-19-2015, 04:34 PM

This must experienced !!
P.08 byf41 with Schiwy safety - eagle/655 - serial 3438p.
I had with me a lugerekspert from Gjovik to verify that it is not reblued or fixed on, seller said it was...
It's not done anything, almost untouched and almost not shot with.
German storage fat still lay in the firing pin and bushing for this. Gripplates is almost certainly not taken off before, and are numbers like ...
Check magazine - one stainless Haenel/Schmeisser with German labeling eagle / L.

This is shurely a treasure as far as i believe...?

Gebirg · 05-19-2015, 04:35 PM

Some more pics...

John Sabato · 05-19-2015, 04:41 PM

Very nice indeed!

Arizona Slim · 05-19-2015, 04:58 PM

I agree with your description completely Gebirg, that is quite a "treasure" you have there. Thanks for sharing.

Lon

tharpo · 05-19-2015, 07:19 PM

Outstanding looking rare Luger variation! Is the magazine numbered to the gun?

Tom

DonVoigt · 05-19-2015, 08:09 PM

Yes, a super example.

Edward Tinker · 05-19-2015, 08:20 PM

How often do you see byf with a sear safety?

I have talked to the OP above and I am unsure about that issue. On the other hand, it is an outstanding example isn't it.

ithacaartist · 05-20-2015, 12:25 AM

Impressive condition... that's what I imagine something looks like when it's described as "minty"! Thanks for sharing.

Now, where did I put my drool-bucket?

Gebirg · 05-20-2015, 02:06 AM

Thank you all, i am glad you liked it.
No, magazine is not serialized. I think bottom is replaced, only the number "42" on it...

Anybody who knows about the amount that is known of these byf41 with Schiwy safety?

el_loco · 05-20-2015, 06:45 AM

nice condition...

i am not so sure about it:
the schiwy-safety was only used by police
but as far as i know, a police-luger no "byf", but "mauser" and no military acceptance-stamp...

Sergio Natali · 05-20-2015, 08:01 AM

Pity about the mag, but goodness it's a knock-out of a Luger, one cannot have everything, congratulations indeed!

Sergio

Gebirg · 05-20-2015, 09:58 AM

el_loco
Thats why it is so rare and special - but all the way correct!
Used by police, but only eagle655 marked...

mrerick · 05-20-2015, 12:24 PM

The magazine is an armorer's replacement.

rhuff · 05-20-2015, 02:03 PM

That has to be as nice as one could ever expect/hope to find. Congrats on your find.

Gebirg · 06-17-2017, 04:18 AM

Cpl. rig

kurusu · 06-17-2017, 11:47 AM

Excellent pistol. I understand that only some 200 p block went into police service and yours is outstanding.

Could you please humour me and take a good picture of the wear patern (if any) of the rear of the action? Your pistol was fired but not much, and it is in original condition. So, I would like to have a good reference.

Even though I'm mostly a shooter. That one is in the "safe queen" class.

Ron Wood · 06-17-2017, 02:28 PM

Asle,
Although my primary collection interest is Imperial era Lugers I can appreciate outstanding examples from any period. You have obtained a rig that has to be in the top 1%, condition wise, of Lugers that have survived to the present day. Congratulations!
Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 06-17-2017, 03:01 PM

Magnificent Police holster!

ithacaartist · 06-17-2017, 05:20 PM

I am a little worried about the holster. Unless I'm mistaken, the Otto Sindel maker's mark is common on a line of reproduction holsters that are well made and fairly convincing. Other than their often pristine condition, the Eagle/swastika mark does not quite match an original. The eagle's head and wings are proportioned a little differently, and the swastika is not straight in its circle. Inside, IIRC, the stitching for the belt loops should be submerged in a slit made for them, and not directly visible. I hope someone else who is more experienced in this matter can give a better-informed observation of this.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-17-2017, 07:05 PM

Dave, You are correct! Ya gotta watch for fakes. From what I can see this one looks good. Like you I would like to take a peek inside..The Eagle looks like a typical police eagle? Pays to look close at these for sure.

05-19-2015, 04:34 PM	#1
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	byf41 with Schiwy safety - cond. 99% This must experienced !! P.08 byf41 with Schiwy safety - eagle/655 - serial 3438p. I had with me a lugerekspert from Gjovik to verify that it is not reblued or fixed on, seller said it was... It's not done anything, almost untouched and almost not shot with. German storage fat still lay in the firing pin and bushing for this. Gripplates is almost certainly not taken off before, and are numbers like ... Check magazine - one stainless Haenel/Schmeisser with German labeling eagle / L. This is shurely a treasure as far as i believe...? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

05-19-2015, 04:35 PM	#2
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Some more pics... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

05-19-2015, 04:41 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Very nice indeed! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-19-2015, 08:20 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	How often do you see byf with a sear safety? I have talked to the OP above and I am unsure about that issue. On the other hand, it is an outstanding example isn't it. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-20-2015, 12:25 AM	#8
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,284 Thanks: 7,013 Thanked 2,478 Times in 1,320 Posts	Impressive condition... that's what I imagine something looks like when it's described as "minty"! Thanks for sharing. Now, where did I put my drool-bucket? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-19-2015, 04:58 PM	#4
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	I agree with your description completely Gebirg, that is quite a "treasure" you have there. Thanks for sharing. Lon

05-19-2015, 07:19 PM	#5
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Outstanding looking rare Luger variation! Is the magazine numbered to the gun? Tom

05-19-2015, 08:09 PM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Yes, a super example.

05-20-2015, 02:06 AM	#9
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Thank you all, i am glad you liked it. No, magazine is not serialized. I think bottom is replaced, only the number "42" on it... Anybody who knows about the amount that is known of these byf41 with Schiwy safety? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Gebirg; 05-20-2015 at 03:00 AM.

05-20-2015, 06:45 AM	#10
el_loco Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: bavaria - germany Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	nice condition... i am not so sure about it: the schiwy-safety was only used by police but as far as i know, a police-luger no "byf", but "mauser" and no military acceptance-stamp... __________________ Extra Bavariam nulla vita, et si est vita, non est ita

05-20-2015, 08:01 AM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Pity about the mag, but goodness it's a knock-out of a Luger, one cannot have everything, congratulations indeed! Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

05-20-2015, 09:58 AM	#12
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	el_loco Thats why it is so rare and special - but all the way correct! Used by police, but only eagle655 marked... Last edited by Gebirg; 05-20-2015 at 02:25 PM.

05-20-2015, 12:24 PM	#13
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	The magazine is an armorer's replacement. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-20-2015, 02:03 PM	#14
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 2,686 Thanked 958 Times in 704 Posts	That has to be as nice as one could ever expect/hope to find. Congrats on your find.

06-17-2017, 04:18 AM	#15
Gebirg User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Telemark Posts: 94 Thanks: 68 Thanked 158 Times in 34 Posts	Cpl. rig Attached Thumbnails __________________ Mr. AKB - Norway "SILENT LEGES INTER ARMA" Denn unter den Waffen schweigen die Gesetze (M.T.Cicero)

06-17-2017, 11:47 AM	#16
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 929 Times in 509 Posts	Excellent pistol. I understand that only some 200 p block went into police service and yours is outstanding. Could you please humour me and take a good picture of the wear patern (if any) of the rear of the action? Your pistol was fired but not much, and it is in original condition. So, I would like to have a good reference. Even though I'm mostly a shooter. That one is in the "safe queen" class.

06-17-2017, 02:28 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Asle, Although my primary collection interest is Imperial era Lugers I can appreciate outstanding examples from any period. You have obtained a rig that has to be in the top 1%, condition wise, of Lugers that have survived to the present day. Congratulations! Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-17-2017, 03:01 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,852 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Magnificent Police holster! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-17-2017, 05:20 PM	#19
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,284 Thanks: 7,013 Thanked 2,478 Times in 1,320 Posts	I am a little worried about the holster. Unless I'm mistaken, the Otto Sindel maker's mark is common on a line of reproduction holsters that are well made and fairly convincing. Other than their often pristine condition, the Eagle/swastika mark does not quite match an original. The eagle's head and wings are proportioned a little differently, and the swastika is not straight in its circle. Inside, IIRC, the stitching for the belt loops should be submerged in a slit made for them, and not directly visible. I hope someone else who is more experienced in this matter can give a better-informed observation of this. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

06-17-2017, 07:05 PM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,852 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Dave, You are correct! Ya gotta watch for fakes. From what I can see this one looks good. Like you I would like to take a peek inside..The Eagle looks like a typical police eagle? Pays to look close at these for sure. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."