Lucky finding, I think

STEINBVG · 05-22-2021, 07:18 PM

Ever since I saw it on Forgotten weapons, I wanted to experience the mechanics of this elegant pistol: Whitney +/- Wolverine.

Finally I found one, for a price of a decent Luger, I guess. Apparently in a good condition and with the original box.

I think I,m making a right decision- I have seen the gun has some following, even here ...
I believe it,s much better than later reproduction by Olympic Arms.
Just wanted to share my excitement.

tomaustin · 05-22-2021, 07:36 PM

pics when you receive it.....!!

STEINBVG · 05-22-2021, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tomaustin

pics when you receive it.....!!

Oh, you betcha!

sheepherder · 05-22-2021, 07:43 PM

From the NRA "Pistols and Revolvers"..."...hollow aluminum alloy frame..."

Should be a nice light .22 plinker...

STEINBVG · 05-22-2021, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tomaustin

pics when you receive it.....!!

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

From the NRA "Pistols and Revolvers"..."...hollow aluminum alloy frame..."

Should be a nice light .22 plinker...

Yep, that too. Thanks.

But the mechanism...self contained steel cocoon is something. That allows to surround it by light and not necessarily extra strong materials( not that aluminum is weak)

Ahead of it,s time...

For me, disassemble, learn, assemble, learn> file away is the best joy...

spangy · 05-22-2021, 08:40 PM

You already know I like these too from a previous post of yours.

Nice score Vitaly

snipershot1944 · 05-22-2021, 09:07 PM

There is a boxed nickel one in a local gun shop. Not my cup of tea PM me for contact info.

STEINBVG · 05-22-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by snipershot1944

There is a boxed nickel one in a local gun shop. Not my cup of tea PM me for contact info.

Shot you a PM.
Thanks.

snipershot1944 · 05-22-2021, 09:49 PM

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ithacaartist · 05-22-2021, 10:40 PM

Congrats on your score! Indeed, these are commanding prices at auction, etc., equivalent at least to a nice shooter Luger. And an original box is a big plus.

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

[/I]...Should be a nice light .22 plinker...

The two I've had were not in the realm of stellar dependability, let's say.... but I wouldn't call it a bad gun, though. They are charming and innovative, and very ergonomically friendly--feel great in the hand. The originator/ first owner of the enterprise made a terrible deal with a distributor which had the effect of sinking all early versions of the company. The gun's design was not the reason for its demise.

The one bright spot about the Olympic Arms model--before it also became discontinued/obsolete a scant few years into its resurrected polymer form--was that all parts were identical, which makes fixing up an original easier. The ventilated rib on the v2.0 ruined its Buck Rogers lines.

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Originally Posted by snipershot1944

There is a boxed nickel one in a local gun shop. Not my cup of tea PM me for contact info.

They chrome plated some of the frames. The history of the pistol's different offerings is sorta interesting... Any idea what they're asking for it? Does it have white plastic grips?

Edward Tinker · 05-22-2021, 11:21 PM

I have always wanted one of these also

Very cool guns

Ed

STEINBVG · 05-23-2021, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Congrats on your score! Indeed, these are commanding prices at auction, etc., equivalent at least to a nice shooter Luger. And an original box is a big plus.

The two I've had were not in the realm of stellar dependability, let's say.... but I wouldn't call it a bad gun, though. They are charming and innovative, and very ergonomically friendly--feel great in the hand. The originator/ first owner of the enterprise made a terrible deal with a distributor which had the effect of sinking all early versions of the company. The gun's design was not the reason for its demise.

The one bright spot about the Olympic Arms model--before it also became discontinued/obsolete a scant few years into its resurrected polymer form--was that all parts were identical, which makes fixing up an original easier. The ventilated rib on the v2.0 ruined its Buck Rogers lines.

They chrome plated some of the frames. The history of the pistol's different offerings is sorta interesting... Any idea what they're asking for it? Does it have white plastic grips?

I have not contacted the seller yet, and they don,t have a site to check out the listing.will call Monday.

STEINBVG · 06-19-2021, 01:41 PM

I got my Whitney a few days ago.
I love it. I disassembled it first. Looked carefully at all the parts trying to see if there are any weak, damaged or about to parts.
None.
The only thing is a loose on the threads aluminum charge handle.
Thanks to Ian from forgotten weapons I was aware of this feature, this flimsy design that reportedly can break.
It has minimum material to support the threads…and it gets banged.
The gun shoots beautifully. But I decided to make a shooter replacement of the handle and keep the original safe.
I,m not able to machine exact copy, But, I improvised mine from steel utilizing an industrial yoke joint with 3/8 x 24 thread used by the Whitney.
I gave the handle just a preliminary shape , it won,t have lugeresque checkered ears, perhaps I will just machine a few parallel grooves.
It,s a bit heavier than aluminum, but still cycles normal and high speed ammo.
This one won,t break , and seats very tight. I wonder why did they use the aluminum in such problematic area…

schutzen-jager · 06-19-2021, 02:13 PM

steel replacement might cause rapid wear on the already soft aluminum components it contacts if shot regularly especially with HV , pistol should not be used with any hyper velocity ammo -

lugerholsterrepair · 06-19-2021, 04:10 PM

keep an eye on it , polish contact surfaces and liberally lube with white lithium grease.

STEINBVG · 06-19-2021, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

keep an eye on it , polish contact surfaces and liberally lube with white lithium grease.

Thanks. Good point. It doesn’t seem to ride on anything, but I had polished any potential rail surfaces. I have used a red wheel grease , but I do have the lithium using it on my motorcycle ps’ chains.
Will try on the gun.

I found it reasonable to use a heavy lube on slow moving parts of a gun, fill with it blind spring holes/ nests, etc. as long as the gun dust has no way to get there- it seems to perform better than loose oil.

cirelaw · 06-19-2021, 06:51 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Wolverine

STEINBVG · 06-20-2021, 11:40 AM

Well, For now I,s done.
I may try to make chamfered 45 degree planes equal to the handle for a perfect flaw- match.
I,m still thinking on 3 parallel cuts , not sure of a direction yet…

Still functions great.

Also disassembled serviced, lubed the lower completely, all the control group.
Just had an exploded view of parts for the reference. What a pain in the ass to assemble it back. I had to develop my own logical sequence of doing it the most easy way. I couldn,t find complete disassembly online.
Now I see the flaws in the design, not from the function, but from maintenance , repair prospective .

Sonofeugene · 06-21-2021, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by STEINBVG

Thanks. Good point. It doesn’t seem to ride on anything, but I had polished any potential rail surfaces. I have used a red wheel grease , but I do have the lithium using it on my motorcycle ps’ chains.
Will try on the gun.

I found it reasonable to use a heavy lube on slow moving parts of a gun, fill with it blind spring holes/ nests, etc. as long as the gun dust has no way to get there- it seems to perform better than loose oil.

Use a molybdenum disulfide or tungsten disulfide paste as a lube. Both are vastly superior to any grease with the tungsten stuff being better.

05-22-2021, 07:18 PM	#1
STEINBVG User Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 143 Thanks: 117 Thanked 176 Times in 70 Posts	Lucky finding, I think Ever since I saw it on Forgotten weapons, I wanted to experience the mechanics of this elegant pistol: Whitney +/- Wolverine. Finally I found one, for a price of a decent Luger, I guess. Apparently in a good condition and with the original box. I think I,m making a right decision- I have seen the gun has some following, even here ... I believe it,s much better than later reproduction by Olympic Arms. Just wanted to share my excitement. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Happy to have found the Gevarm and Voere.

05-22-2021, 07:43 PM	#4
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05-22-2021, 08:40 PM	#6
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06-19-2021, 01:41 PM	#13
STEINBVG User Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 143 Thanks: 117 Thanked 176 Times in 70 Posts	Whitney, first impressions… I got my Whitney a few days ago. I love it. I disassembled it first. Looked carefully at all the parts trying to see if there are any weak, damaged or about to parts. None. The only thing is a loose on the threads aluminum charge handle. Thanks to Ian from forgotten weapons I was aware of this feature, this flimsy design that reportedly can break. It has minimum material to support the threads…and it gets banged. The gun shoots beautifully. But I decided to make a shooter replacement of the handle and keep the original safe. I,m not able to machine exact copy, But, I improvised mine from steel utilizing an industrial yoke joint with 3/8 x 24 thread used by the Whitney. I gave the handle just a preliminary shape , it won,t have lugeresque checkered ears, perhaps I will just machine a few parallel grooves. It,s a bit heavier than aluminum, but still cycles normal and high speed ammo. This one won,t break , and seats very tight. I wonder why did they use the aluminum in such problematic area… Attached Thumbnails __________________ Happy to have found the Gevarm and Voere.

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tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	pics when you receive it.....!!

05-22-2021, 09:07 PM	#7
snipershot1944 User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia, part of the occupied Confederacy Posts: 299 Thanks: 15 Thanked 33 Times in 24 Posts	There is a boxed nickel one in a local gun shop. Not my cup of tea PM me for contact info.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	I have always wanted one of these also Very cool guns Ed

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schutzen-jager User Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: peoples republic of New Jersey Posts: 187 Thanks: 208 Thanked 187 Times in 86 Posts	steel replacement might cause rapid wear on the already soft aluminum components it contacts if shot regularly especially with HV , pistol should not be used with any hyper velocity ammo -

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Wolverine

06-20-2021, 11:40 AM	#18
STEINBVG User Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 143 Thanks: 117 Thanked 176 Times in 70 Posts	My Whitney,s charging handle. Update Well, For now I,s done. I may try to make chamfered 45 degree planes equal to the handle for a perfect flaw- match. I,m still thinking on 3 parallel cuts , not sure of a direction yet… Still functions great. Also disassembled serviced, lubed the lower completely, all the control group. Just had an exploded view of parts for the reference. What a pain in the ass to assemble it back. I had to develop my own logical sequence of doing it the most easy way. I couldn,t find complete disassembly online. Now I see the flaws in the design, not from the function, but from maintenance , repair prospective . Attached Thumbnails __________________ Happy to have found the Gevarm and Voere.