Locked and loaded commercial luger

ronsun · 10-10-2012, 02:30 PM

I have inherited a very nice locked and loaded commercial luger, I had it inspected by a well respected expert and he said it iscomplete and original, with matching numbers, and in excellent condition. What I failed to ask him is which magazine is correct for it. It came with 2, both wooden bottoms, one with the work Germany on it and one with nothing on it. I have been told there were less than 2,000 of these made for US export, so it shoulod be qujite valuable...any ideas. Thanks, Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2012, 02:59 PM

Ron, Welcome to the Luger Forum. What is the Calibur? .30 Luger? Ideas about what in particular? The proper magazine? Both of the magazines you mention would be proper.

mrerick · 10-10-2012, 03:38 PM

Hi Ron, and welcome to the forum.

Please post pictures that have good details of all external markings and overall views. Take them outside using indirect (shaded) sunlight, a tripod and the self timer (to eliminate camera shake).

There are quite a range of commercial Lugers. We can probably help you learn more about yours.

Marc

Edward Tinker · 10-10-2012, 04:51 PM

sorry, not sure what a 'locked' and loaded luger is - I assume that it is made for the English market and has the word 'Loaded' that shows when it is loaded with a round.

Value would depend on if it is in original condition, if it is matching, etc

Ron Wood · 10-10-2012, 06:53 PM

"Safe" and "Loaded"?

Edward Tinker · 10-10-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

"Safe" and "Loaded"?

yes, of course, I just was blank in my mind, kept thinking of a 1911A1 as locked and loaded

ronsun · 10-10-2012, 07:05 PM

It is actually called a Safe and Loaded, and it is a 1923 commercial that was made for US export. I have been told that there were about 2,000 made. It says safe under the safety, and loaded on the extractor. It is in excellent condition. I believe all of them were in 30 Luger, as this one is. It comes with a holster, but it is marked 1916, so is probably not right. So either of the mags would be correct? Thanks for any info you might be able to add. It looks like I may have to sell it. Ron

ronsun · 10-10-2012, 07:07 PM

I have had it checked by an expert, and he says (and I believe him) that it is complete and original, with all matching numbers. Ron

sheepherder · 10-10-2012, 08:22 PM

Ron, can you post pics? I'd especially like to see the Safe and Loaded stampings (I've only heard of them).

Can you tell us who the respected expert is? One of us may know him...(You didn't put your location in your profile)...

Only 2,000 made? That's a small order; rare for sure.

ronsun · 10-10-2012, 08:38 PM

i am in OLympia, WA, he was from Tacoma, but I don't remember his name. I will post some picts. Ron

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2012, 08:58 PM

Ron, I think your magazines are more or less proper. The Germany marked mag is good for sure..matches your pistol! The other with no serial number is too..proper for a commercial. It was mostly military mags that were serialed.
Your holster being dated 1916 is a Military.
Does your pistol have anything on the chamber like an Eagle?

ronsun · 10-10-2012, 09:05 PM

I cant figure out how to upload the picts...is there an easy way....usually you can click on browse and then go find the picts on my computer, click on the pict and its there...any ideas on how this site works... There is nothing on the chamber

sheepherder · 10-10-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ronsun

I cant figure out how to upload the picts...is there an easy way....usually you can click on browse and then go find the picts on my computer, click on the pict and its there...any ideas on how this site works... There is nothing on the chamber

Try this quick & dirty tut on uploading pics here...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=22994

mrerick · 10-10-2012, 10:11 PM

Use the "Advanced Editor" and attach your photos using the dialog you launch from the bottom part of the editor input page.
Marc

MFC · 10-10-2012, 11:44 PM

Stoeger orded 2000 30 cal. Lugers marked SAFE and LOADED in 1920 for the US market. The approximate serial# range is 89700 to 91700. The newer more appropriate designation by Jan Still 'Weimar Lugers' is 20DWM. Kenyon's 'Lugers at Random' designated them 1923 Commercials. His researh and data is more than 40 years old now, well before the internet.

10-10-2012, 02:30 PM	#1
ronsun User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Locked and loaded commercial luger I have inherited a very nice locked and loaded commercial luger, I had it inspected by a well respected expert and he said it iscomplete and original, with matching numbers, and in excellent condition. What I failed to ask him is which magazine is correct for it. It came with 2, both wooden bottoms, one with the work Germany on it and one with nothing on it. I have been told there were less than 2,000 of these made for US export, so it shoulod be qujite valuable...any ideas. Thanks, Ron

10-10-2012, 02:59 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ron, Welcome to the Luger Forum. What is the Calibur? .30 Luger? Ideas about what in particular? The proper magazine? Both of the magazines you mention would be proper. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi Ron, and welcome to the forum. Please post pictures that have good details of all external markings and overall views. Take them outside using indirect (shaded) sunlight, a tripod and the self timer (to eliminate camera shake). There are quite a range of commercial Lugers. We can probably help you learn more about yours. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	"Safe" and "Loaded"? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Ron, can you post pics? I'd especially like to see the Safe and Loaded stampings (I've only heard of them). Can you tell us who the respected expert is? One of us may know him...(You didn't put your location in your profile)... Only 2,000 made? That's a small order; rare for sure. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-10-2012, 04:51 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,933 Thanks: 2,032 Thanked 4,530 Times in 2,092 Posts	sorry, not sure what a 'locked' and loaded luger is - I assume that it is made for the English market and has the word 'Loaded' that shows when it is loaded with a round. Value would depend on if it is in original condition, if it is matching, etc

10-10-2012, 07:05 PM	#7
ronsun User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	It is actually called a Safe and Loaded, and it is a 1923 commercial that was made for US export. I have been told that there were about 2,000 made. It says safe under the safety, and loaded on the extractor. It is in excellent condition. I believe all of them were in 30 Luger, as this one is. It comes with a holster, but it is marked 1916, so is probably not right. So either of the mags would be correct? Thanks for any info you might be able to add. It looks like I may have to sell it. Ron

10-10-2012, 07:07 PM	#8
ronsun User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I have had it checked by an expert, and he says (and I believe him) that it is complete and original, with all matching numbers. Ron

10-10-2012, 08:38 PM	#10
ronsun User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	i am in OLympia, WA, he was from Tacoma, but I don't remember his name. I will post some picts. Ron

10-10-2012, 08:58 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,933 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ron, I think your magazines are more or less proper. The Germany marked mag is good for sure..matches your pistol! The other with no serial number is too..proper for a commercial. It was mostly military mags that were serialed. Your holster being dated 1916 is a Military. Does your pistol have anything on the chamber like an Eagle? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-10-2012, 09:05 PM	#12
ronsun User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I cant figure out how to upload the picts...is there an easy way....usually you can click on browse and then go find the picts on my computer, click on the pict and its there...any ideas on how this site works... There is nothing on the chamber

10-10-2012, 10:11 PM	#14
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Use the "Advanced Editor" and attach your photos using the dialog you launch from the bottom part of the editor input page. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-10-2012, 11:44 PM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Stoeger orded 2000 30 cal. Lugers marked SAFE and LOADED in 1920 for the US market. The approximate serial# range is 89700 to 91700. The newer more appropriate designation by Jan Still 'Weimar Lugers' is 20DWM. Kenyon's 'Lugers at Random' designated them 1923 Commercials. His researh and data is more than 40 years old now, well before the internet. __________________ Mike C.