What is the difference between 04 & 08 Lugers

J.D. · 07-24-2012, 09:15 PM

Hi Guys,

Probably a silly question but what is the diference between the 04 & 08 Lugers ???

Am I right in thinking the 04 was in 30 Luger & the 08 was when the 9mm Parabellum was introduced ?

Thanks again for your help.
All the best.
Jason

ithacaartist · 07-24-2012, 10:33 PM

Main differences were '04: grip safety,no stock lug, long frame; '08: no grip safety, stock lug, short frame.

.30 Luger came first, 9mm later, I think around 1906. The Swiss bought .30's, and usually commercials were .30's. 9mm tested by US Army, and commonly German military. It depended, though on which market/contract they were being produced for, not on date/time, as you suggest.

Norme · 07-24-2012, 10:48 PM

Hi Jason, If you are referring to the P04 and the P08 Lugers, these are the official German designations for Navy and Army Lugers respectively. The main difference between them is that the P04 has a six inch barrel while the P08's is four inches. Both use 9mm ammunition. Regards, Norm

MFC · 07-25-2012, 12:02 AM

First issue P08's from late 1908 or early 1909, till late 1913, did not have stock lugs.

J.D. · 07-25-2012, 09:04 PM

Thanks for the help Guys.

it clears a few things up now.

Thanks again & all the best.
Jason

ithacaartist · 07-26-2012, 04:15 AM

Jason,

Parts of my response may be accurate, but much is just mixed up or wrong. Norm's answer is more informative, and pertinent, I think. The generalization of "P.08 = stock lug" was incomplete enough to be misleading, so thank Mike for tightening us up. There's a rich tapestry that is Luger History, so vast that sometimes it's possible for me to upload a corrupted file from the memory banks. (or mix metaphors)

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J.D. User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 17 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What is the difference between 04 & 08 Lugers Hi Guys, Probably a silly question but what is the diference between the 04 & 08 Lugers ??? Am I right in thinking the 04 was in 30 Luger & the 08 was when the 9mm Parabellum was introduced ? Thanks again for your help. All the best. Jason

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,331 Thanks: 7,229 Thanked 2,548 Times in 1,355 Posts	Main differences were '04: grip safety,no stock lug, long frame; '08: no grip safety, stock lug, short frame. .30 Luger came first, 9mm later, I think around 1906. The Swiss bought .30's, and usually commercials were .30's. 9mm tested by US Army, and commonly German military. It depended, though on which market/contract they were being produced for, not on date/time, as you suggest. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	First issue P08's from late 1908 or early 1909, till late 1913, did not have stock lugs. __________________ Mike C.

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,331 Thanks: 7,229 Thanked 2,548 Times in 1,355 Posts	Jason, Parts of my response may be accurate, but much is just mixed up or wrong. Norm's answer is more informative, and pertinent, I think. The generalization of "P.08 = stock lug" was incomplete enough to be misleading, so thank Mike for tightening us up. There's a rich tapestry that is Luger History, so vast that sometimes it's possible for me to upload a corrupted file from the memory banks. (or mix metaphors) __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jason, If you are referring to the P04 and the P08 Lugers, these are the official German designations for Navy and Army Lugers respectively. The main difference between them is that the P04 has a six inch barrel while the P08's is four inches. Both use 9mm ammunition. Regards, Norm

07-25-2012, 09:04 PM	#5
J.D. User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 17 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the help Guys. it clears a few things up now. Thanks again & all the best. Jason