New pics

alex · 01-11-2002, 12:35 AM

Hey guys, I got some pics of my luger Ill try to upload. Any identity hints would be great..

alex · 01-11-2002, 12:49 AM

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0021.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0013.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0008.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0002_good.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0004_fun.JPG

The pic of the top didn't turn out, but the markings are BYF and 42. I have other pics including the clip if anyone wants them posted.

Hopefully those worked..

Alex

Thor · 01-11-2002, 01:36 AM

Alex, dont know if you know it but your holster appears to be for a P.38 as evidence by the closure/riveted bracket. Lugers and P.38 have similar overall dimensions so one holster for a 5" P.38 will carry a 4" Luger and vice versa due to the Lugers longer action. Thor

01-11-2002, 02:05 AM

The holster is correctly marked in ink inside the flap for the CZ 38 which was designated the P39T by the K....(oops) Germans!

It was the holster design ultimately used by the Kra... [Oops]....Germans for the P38!

See Bender's book MILITARY HOLSTERS OF WW-2 Page 36

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?

The Shadow Does!

hehehehehehehehehehe

01-11-2002, 02:18 AM

...stop with the "K...opps" stuff...its not funny, amusing or cute...you are beating a dead horse...leave it alone as no one here needs you to go on and on...

01-11-2002, 02:23 AM

alex · 01-11-2002, 04:36 AM

Thanks for the tip on the Holster. Im still trying to figgure out if it is a German model tho, The proofs are Mauser Military 1942. But it appears that the BYF marking on top shows that it could be a blackwidow model which appearently

is not German. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.

Alex

Thor · 01-11-2002, 04:58 AM

The ANSWER IS YES, your Luger was made in Germany and thus is a "German Luger"! The Black Widow Luger Term is NOT GERMAN! The term was coined by American Dealers to DESCRIBE GERMAN MILITY models that fall in the byf 41 and 42 categories that have black plastic grips (the original kind) Jan Still reports that around 20% of all GERMAN ARMY MILITARY Mauser Lugers in the byf coding made in the years 1941 and 1942 had these grips (The rest were issued with Checkered Walnut grips) and by AMERICAN Terms (at least from certain collectors) they were called BLACK WIDOWS. The LUGER IS GERMAN, the TERM Black Widow is American! HTH

~Thor~

alex · 01-11-2002, 10:31 PM

Thanks Thor, Nice and simple like I needed it..haha, next question, anybody want to buy a Luger? >=)

Spencer · 01-12-2002, 12:28 AM

alex · 01-12-2002, 01:58 AM

Not teasing, it is fully for sale. Im gonna get some appraisal stuff done so I have an idea where to start.

01-11-2002, 12:35 AM	#1
alex User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New pics Hey guys, I got some pics of my luger Ill try to upload. Any identity hints would be great..

01-11-2002, 12:49 AM	#2
alex User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0021.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0021.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0013.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0008.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0002_good.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0004_fun.JPG The pic of the top didn't turn out, but the markings are BYF and 42. I have other pics including the clip if anyone wants them posted. Hopefully those worked.. Alex

01-11-2002, 01:36 AM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/DSCN0021.JPG Alex, dont know if you know it but your holster appears to be for a P.38 as evidence by the closure/riveted bracket. Lugers and P.38 have similar overall dimensions so one holster for a 5" P.38 will carry a 4" Luger and vice versa due to the Lugers longer action. Thor

01-11-2002, 02:05 AM	#4
TheShadow Guest Posts: n/a	P39 (t) HOLSTER The holster is correctly marked in ink inside the flap for the CZ 38 which was designated the P39T by the K....(oops) Germans! It was the holster design ultimately used by the Kra... [Oops]....Germans for the P38! See Bender's book MILITARY HOLSTERS OF WW-2 Page 36 Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow Does! hehehehehehehehehehe

01-11-2002, 02:18 AM	#5
just a lurker Guest Posts: n/a	Give it a rest "shadow"... ...stop with the "K...opps" stuff...its not funny, amusing or cute...you are beating a dead horse...leave it alone as no one here needs you to go on and on...

01-11-2002, 02:23 AM	#6
TheShadow Guest Posts: n/a	OK...You're right!...sorry. (EOM)

01-11-2002, 04:36 AM	#7
alex User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	But is it a German Luger? Thanks for the tip on the Holster. Im still trying to figgure out if it is a German model tho, The proofs are Mauser Military 1942. But it appears that the BYF marking on top shows that it could be a blackwidow model which appearently is not German. Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. Alex

01-11-2002, 04:58 AM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: But is it a German Luger? The ANSWER IS YES, your Luger was made in Germany and thus is a "German Luger"! The Black Widow Luger Term is NOT GERMAN! The term was coined by American Dealers to DESCRIBE GERMAN MILITY models that fall in the byf 41 and 42 categories that have black plastic grips (the original kind) Jan Still reports that around 20% of all GERMAN ARMY MILITARY Mauser Lugers in the byf coding made in the years 1941 and 1942 had these grips (The rest were issued with Checkered Walnut grips) and by AMERICAN Terms (at least from certain collectors) they were called BLACK WIDOWS. The LUGER IS GERMAN, the TERM Black Widow is American! HTH ~Thor~

01-11-2002, 10:31 PM	#9
alex User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: But is it a German Luger? Thanks Thor, Nice and simple like I needed it..haha, next question, anybody want to buy a Luger? >=)

01-12-2002, 12:28 AM	#10
Spencer User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No Teasing! (EOM)

01-12-2002, 01:58 AM	#11
alex User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: No Teasing! Not teasing, it is fully for sale. Im gonna get some appraisal stuff done so I have an idea where to start.