Cleaning Rod Identity

tharpo · 05-03-2018, 09:46 PM

Can anyone identify this cleaning rod? It came in a Luger holster I recently purchased.

John Sabato · 05-04-2018, 11:58 AM

Never saw one like that before. Interesting. Thanks for sharing... I hope someone here can provide some insight as to country of origin, and what gun it accompanied.

Ron Wood · 05-04-2018, 12:15 PM

Probably for a Swedish Lahti, could also be used with their M23 Luger.

wlyon · 05-04-2018, 01:26 PM

Ron
You are right on!! According to my reference originally issued with the Finnish M23 luger and saw continued service with the L35 Lahti. Reference "Gun Tools Their history and identification volume 2 by R. Stephen Dorsey and James B. Shaffer (1997)" Your pretty sharp for one of us old guys. Bill

Ron Wood · 05-04-2018, 02:27 PM

Thanks Bill. Folks should never underestimate us old guys.

You also always come up with insight on posted items, so I am pleased to be in your company.

cirelaw · 05-04-2018, 04:45 PM

Bill, You are our hero~

tharpo · 05-04-2018, 09:50 PM

Bill,
Does your reference show rods with a slotted end like mine or only the rods with the spiral ends?
Thanks for your help.
Tom

wlyon · 05-05-2018, 09:35 AM

Tom
Reference shows a slotted end. Bill

Dick Herman · 05-05-2018, 04:08 PM

Howdy,
I received a similar cleaning rod with an early SA marked holster. The cleaning rod is marked SA, the shaft can swivel in the handle. Subsequent to this acquisition it was identified as a later rod for the m23 or other weapons.
The early cleaning rod for the m23 is a brass loop variation. The displayed rod is also marked SA.
That's my 2 cents.

wlyon · 05-05-2018, 07:41 PM

Dick
I still feel the slotted rod is for the M23. The one you show is totally different than the one in question. I have a brass rod like yours . To me it has always been a repro?? It is also marked SA. Do you have any reference on the brass one? I wish someone would do a book on cleaning rods. Bill

Dick Herman · 05-05-2018, 08:26 PM

Bill,
Finland refurbished there equipment for reliable service. They made equipment modifications that were simple and cost effective. The cleaning rod that started this thread could be of a later time period than the two that I posted. I understand the the longer one I posted was also used for the Finnish sub machine gun.
The posted brass looped handle cleaning rod can be seen in a Finnish holster in "Borchardt & Luger" on page 1224. In the "Land of Borchardt" the Finnish Luger m23 system rig displays the brass looped cleaning rod in numerous places.
You are correct a narrative regarding Luger cleaning rods would be helpful.
Take care my friend.

tharpo · 05-05-2018, 08:54 PM

Mine does not have a swivel handle. It does fit pretty well in a 1934 holster.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-07-2018, 11:17 AM

Tom, That was a heckava nice holster..I shoulda bought it..glad you got it. One of the best 1934's I have ever seen.

05-03-2018, 09:46 PM	#1
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Cleaning Rod Identity Can anyone identify this cleaning rod? It came in a Luger holster I recently purchased. Attached Thumbnails

05-04-2018, 11:58 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Never saw one like that before. Interesting. Thanks for sharing... I hope someone here can provide some insight as to country of origin, and what gun it accompanied. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-04-2018, 12:15 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Probably for a Swedish Lahti, could also be used with their M23 Luger. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-04-2018, 01:26 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Ron You are right on!! According to my reference originally issued with the Finnish M23 luger and saw continued service with the L35 Lahti. Reference "Gun Tools Their history and identification volume 2 by R. Stephen Dorsey and James B. Shaffer (1997)" Your pretty sharp for one of us old guys. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-04-2018, 02:27 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	Thanks Bill. Folks should never underestimate us old guys. You also always come up with insight on posted items, so I am pleased to be in your company. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-04-2018, 04:45 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Bill, You are our hero~

05-04-2018, 09:50 PM	#7
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Bill, Does your reference show rods with a slotted end like mine or only the rods with the spiral ends? Thanks for your help. Tom

05-05-2018, 09:35 AM	#8
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Tom Reference shows a slotted end. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-05-2018, 04:08 PM	#9
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	Howdy, I received a similar cleaning rod with an early SA marked holster. The cleaning rod is marked SA, the shaft can swivel in the handle. Subsequent to this acquisition it was identified as a later rod for the m23 or other weapons. The early cleaning rod for the m23 is a brass loop variation. The displayed rod is also marked SA. That's my 2 cents. Attached Thumbnails

05-05-2018, 07:41 PM	#10
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	Dick I still feel the slotted rod is for the M23. The one you show is totally different than the one in question. I have a brass rod like yours . To me it has always been a repro?? It is also marked SA. Do you have any reference on the brass one? I wish someone would do a book on cleaning rods. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-05-2018, 08:26 PM	#11
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	Bill, Finland refurbished there equipment for reliable service. They made equipment modifications that were simple and cost effective. The cleaning rod that started this thread could be of a later time period than the two that I posted. I understand the the longer one I posted was also used for the Finnish sub machine gun. The posted brass looped handle cleaning rod can be seen in a Finnish holster in "Borchardt & Luger" on page 1224. In the "Land of Borchardt" the Finnish Luger m23 system rig displays the brass looped cleaning rod in numerous places. You are correct a narrative regarding Luger cleaning rods would be helpful. Take care my friend.

05-05-2018, 08:54 PM	#12
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 536 Thanks: 116 Thanked 375 Times in 153 Posts	Mine does not have a swivel handle. It does fit pretty well in a 1934 holster. Attached Thumbnails

05-07-2018, 11:17 AM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Tom, That was a heckava nice holster..I shoulda bought it..glad you got it. One of the best 1934's I have ever seen. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."