Crappy Indian made grips.

DARIVS ARCHITECTVS · 11-19-2003, 06:20 PM

After three months, InterOrdinance finally sent me the replacement grips. I compared them to the truly professionally fitted grips made by CMR Internationalin Great Britain. There is no comparison. The crappy Indian made ones that IO sent had really deep and coarse knurling, twice the size of the CMR grips. Quite incorrect. The wood was good, having a darker appearance with a strong grain contrast, but the shape was off a bit, and they were a little too thick. The relieved areas on the interior were not the specific original shape, but worked. However, the to edge of the left grip was not relieved properly such that when fitted to the pistole, you cannot take the safety off due to interference. I cannot praise the CML grips enough for fit, finish, and appearance. Anyone considering replacing the grips on their shooter Luger should get them.

http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/

Pete Ebbink · 11-19-2003, 06:35 PM

These seem like decent ones...have folks seen these in person...?

http://www.simpsonltd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_ Code=SL&Product_Code=LG&Category_Code=LA

Ron Wood · 11-19-2003, 06:46 PM

The Simpson grips look very nice. They appear to have the Mauser contour rather than DWM, so they wouldn't look authentic on an early Luger. But they would look dandy on a custom Luger.

DARIVS ARCHITECTVS · 11-19-2003, 06:53 PM

Simpson grips are $100.00. The CMR Intl. grips are only $25.00, which is far less that the quality of the grips would normally fetch.

Luke · 11-19-2003, 08:55 PM

DARIVS ARCHITECTVS -

The picture on the CMR web site looks good, and a $25.00 price tag is excellent if they correctly fit the Luger.

Can you tell us the following about the CMR grips?

1. Do they fit Imperial Lugers well? Some repros are not quite wide enough and leave metal exposed on the side of the front and/or back grip straps.

2. Is the left grip a good fit underneath the safety lever? This is where most repros fail, as they are a poor fit and they are too thin in this area.

Thanks for the information.
Luke

Dean · 11-19-2003, 11:58 PM

I have few questions regarding Luger grips:

What was the LPI (lines per inch) of the original checkering on the Luger grips?

Did the LPI alter over different variations?

$100 is not unreasonable for the CMR grips. With respect to other hanguns, Luger grips are one of the most difficult to make.

In addition, checkering grips takes a long time, even if you use a motorized checkering tool.

DARIVS ARCHITECTVS · 11-20-2003, 06:15 PM

I do not know if the CMR grips will fit an early Luger, but they do fit a Mauser type 42 perfectly. They do fit well around the area of the safety lever, perfectly actally. They are EXACT copies of the original grips I removed, which are badly worn but are being saved because they are original. The checking is fine and well defined and not too deep. The LPI appears to be an exact match. The ONLY differences appear to be the front leading edge on the left grip is thicker and not faired into a sharp edge, but this can be easily remedied. The bevels on the top edges of the grips are an exact match. These grips are made by a quailty gunsmith dealing specifically with Lugers, and the attention to detail shows.

unspellable · 11-21-2003, 01:34 PM

DARIVS,

I will trade you three pair of plastic grips guaranteed to improperly fit your Luger for your crappy Indian wood grips. One pair even has staghorn styling.

Edward Tinker · 11-21-2003, 01:42 PM

The problem with the cheaper grips is fit. I have a set that looks very nice, fit fine, but interfers with the safety and proper firing / operation of the weapon. And that is AFTER I have modified them on the backs of the grips.

I do believe you get what you pay for.

Ed

champ7fc · 11-30-2003, 04:12 PM

I have attempted to get into the cmr website several times, when I get to the catalogue page there are no links listed and clicking on anything produces no responce. Is there a problem with the site?

Luke · 11-30-2003, 05:16 PM

cfm -

First, find the item in which you are interested in the "Catalog" section. Note the part number and description.

Then, click on "Order Form" at the bottom of the page; this brings up a form which can be filled-in to order anything in the catalog.

A bit confusing, I'll admit.

Good luck.
Luke

Daniel · 11-30-2003, 08:56 PM

Help.....I tried that and don't find any luger grips, only ' brooms ' in the catalog.

DARIVS ARCHITECTVS · 12-01-2003, 02:15 AM

Here is the link to the grips at CMR:
http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.inter...talogue/L5.htm

Daniel · 12-01-2003, 07:25 PM

Got it , thanks ! Unfortunately not a secure website for ordering with Visa.

John Sabato · 12-02-2003, 07:17 AM

You would be surprised how inexpensive it is to call the United Kingdom... Send Charles M. Roscoe an email from the CMR website indicating your order and advise him you will call with the credit card number... that way you won't have to worry about the number being compromised by a hacker at his website.

Daniel · 12-02-2003, 07:22 AM

Thanks, good idea......why didn't I think of that... dah!!
Thanks John

rayalbers · 12-02-2003, 04:13 PM

CMR grips not available right now.

I tried ordering a set yesterday and got the following message in an e-mail today:

Dear Sir,

We are currently sold out of the Luger Grips, which were on a promotional
offer. Please try us again in about 2-3 months time.

Oh well, guess I'll just keep using the cheap plastic grips on my shooter for now.

Ray

DARIVS ARCHITECTVS · 12-03-2003, 11:37 PM

Hah.. guess i got the last pair!

Tad Powle · 12-14-2003, 08:13 AM

CDNN has them too for like $19.00, but I always figured this was way too good to be true....

Anybody seen these up close? http://www.cdnninvestments.com/luger.html

Fritzer · 12-17-2003, 10:41 AM

I've purchased a set from CDNN - scans attached of front and back.
Seem OK to me, but I have no originals to compare to. I don't know about the comparison of checkering to originals either. Fit appears good to me on 1917 DWM, but I'm no expert - I'll defer to others on the forum.

I just did minor clean up of milling fibers with a razor knife - and a couple of applications of Watco oil.

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11-19-2003, 06:20 PM	#1
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anoka, MN Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Crappy Indian made grips. After three months, InterOrdinance finally sent me the replacement grips. I compared them to the truly professionally fitted grips made by CMR Internationalin Great Britain. There is no comparison. The crappy Indian made ones that IO sent had really deep and coarse knurling, twice the size of the CMR grips. Quite incorrect. The wood was good, having a darker appearance with a strong grain contrast, but the shape was off a bit, and they were a little too thick. The relieved areas on the interior were not the specific original shape, but worked. However, the to edge of the left grip was not relieved properly such that when fitted to the pistole, you cannot take the safety off due to interference. I cannot praise the CML grips enough for fit, finish, and appearance. Anyone considering replacing the grips on their shooter Luger should get them. http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.international/ __________________ DARIVS ARCHITECTVS Knight's Armoury www.stormthewalls.com

11-19-2003, 06:46 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	The Simpson grips look very nice. They appear to have the Mauser contour rather than DWM, so they wouldn't look authentic on an early Luger. But they would look dandy on a custom Luger. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-19-2003, 06:53 PM	#4
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anoka, MN Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Simpson grips are $100.00. The CMR Intl. grips are only $25.00, which is far less that the quality of the grips would normally fetch. __________________ DARIVS ARCHITECTVS Knight's Armoury www.stormthewalls.com

11-19-2003, 08:55 PM	#5
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	DARIVS ARCHITECTVS - The picture on the CMR web site looks good, and a $25.00 price tag is excellent if they correctly fit the Luger. Can you tell us the following about the CMR grips? 1. Do they fit Imperial Lugers well? Some repros are not quite wide enough and leave metal exposed on the side of the front and/or back grip straps. 2. Is the left grip a good fit underneath the safety lever? This is where most repros fail, as they are a poor fit and they are too thin in this area. Thanks for the information. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

11-19-2003, 11:58 PM	#6
Dean User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PA Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have few questions regarding Luger grips: What was the LPI (lines per inch) of the original checkering on the Luger grips? Did the LPI alter over different variations? $100 is not unreasonable for the CMR grips. With respect to other hanguns, Luger grips are one of the most difficult to make. In addition, checkering grips takes a long time, even if you use a motorized checkering tool. __________________ Carpe Diem, Parabellum

11-19-2003, 06:35 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	These seem like decent ones...have folks seen these in person...? http://www.simpsonltd.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_ Code=SL&Product_Code=LG&Category_Code=LA

11-20-2003, 06:15 PM	#7
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anoka, MN Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I do not know if the CMR grips will fit an early Luger, but they do fit a Mauser type 42 perfectly. They do fit well around the area of the safety lever, perfectly actally. They are EXACT copies of the original grips I removed, which are badly worn but are being saved because they are original. The checking is fine and well defined and not too deep. The LPI appears to be an exact match. The ONLY differences appear to be the front leading edge on the left grip is thicker and not faired into a sharp edge, but this can be easily remedied. The bevels on the top edges of the grips are an exact match. These grips are made by a quailty gunsmith dealing specifically with Lugers, and the attention to detail shows. __________________ DARIVS ARCHITECTVS Knight's Armoury www.stormthewalls.com

11-21-2003, 01:34 PM	#8
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts	DARIVS, I will trade you three pair of plastic grips guaranteed to improperly fit your Luger for your crappy Indian wood grips. One pair even has staghorn styling.

11-21-2003, 01:42 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	The problem with the cheaper grips is fit. I have a set that looks very nice, fit fine, but interfers with the safety and proper firing / operation of the weapon. And that is AFTER I have modified them on the backs of the grips. I do believe you get what you pay for. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-30-2003, 04:12 PM	#10
champ7fc User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Connecticut Posts: 103 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I have attempted to get into the cmr website several times, when I get to the catalogue page there are no links listed and clicking on anything produces no responce. Is there a problem with the site? __________________ cfm

11-30-2003, 05:16 PM	#11
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	cfm - First, find the item in which you are interested in the "Catalog" section. Note the part number and description. Then, click on "Order Form" at the bottom of the page; this brings up a form which can be filled-in to order anything in the catalog. A bit confusing, I'll admit. Good luck. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

11-30-2003, 08:56 PM	#12
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help.....I tried that and don't find any luger grips, only ' brooms ' in the catalog.

12-01-2003, 02:15 AM	#13
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anoka, MN Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here is the link to the grips at CMR: http://www.btinternet.com/~cmr.inter...talogue/L5.htm __________________ DARIVS ARCHITECTVS Knight's Armoury www.stormthewalls.com

12-01-2003, 07:25 PM	#14
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Got it , thanks ! Unfortunately not a secure website for ordering with Visa.

12-02-2003, 07:17 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	You would be surprised how inexpensive it is to call the United Kingdom... Send Charles M. Roscoe an email from the CMR website indicating your order and advise him you will call with the credit card number... that way you won't have to worry about the number being compromised by a hacker at his website. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-02-2003, 07:22 AM	#16
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, good idea......why didn't I think of that... dah!! Thanks John

12-02-2003, 04:13 PM	#17
rayalbers User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: vienna va Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CMR grips not available right now. I tried ordering a set yesterday and got the following message in an e-mail today: Dear Sir, We are currently sold out of the Luger Grips, which were on a promotional offer. Please try us again in about 2-3 months time. Oh well, guess I'll just keep using the cheap plastic grips on my shooter for now. Ray

12-03-2003, 11:37 PM	#18
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anoka, MN Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hah.. guess i got the last pair! __________________ DARIVS ARCHITECTVS Knight's Armoury www.stormthewalls.com

12-14-2003, 08:13 AM	#19
Tad Powle New User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CDNN has them too for like $19.00, but I always figured this was way too good to be true.... Anybody seen these up close? http://www.cdnninvestments.com/luger.html

12-17-2003, 10:41 AM	#20
Fritzer User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 134 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've purchased a set from CDNN - scans attached of front and back. Seem OK to me, but I have no originals to compare to. I don't know about the comparison of checkering to originals either. Fit appears good to me on 1917 DWM, but I'm no expert - I'll defer to others on the forum. I just did minor clean up of milling fibers with a razor knife - and a couple of applications of Watco oil. Comments? <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/repl_front.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/repl_front.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/repl_back.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/repl_back.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> Fritz. (Thumbnailed Photos by admin-JS)