30 Luger vs 9mm Luger

Kohaku2416 · 12-22-2005, 04:23 PM

How does the 7.65mm stack up against the 9mm Luger round? i have heard that the 7.65 is a bad round and that is why the germans switched over the the 9mm's but the 7.65 can't be that bad if it stayed in production alongside the 9mm lugers and ive also seen Ruger 89's and Browning Hi Powers in the 30 luger. Can someone shed some light for me on the 30.luger's stopping power and what not. Also would the round make a decent self defense round or would it just be better to use it as a plinker? Reason i ask is because im just kinda currious and you guys seem to know what your talking about when it comes to this sorta thing

Edward Tinker · 12-22-2005, 04:56 PM

you can use a .22 long rifle as a self defensive gun, but obviouslyu not the first choice. It was more stopping power, the US liked the 45, the Germans decided on 9mm instead of 7.65mm.

Always keep in mind, that even if in the right, your pistol will be taken by the police until investigation is over. Far better to use a Mak, or a clone 45 ACP for self defense.

Ed

Lugerdoc · 12-23-2005, 10:08 AM

IMHO the 7.65mmP is a faster, flater shooting round with more penetration than the 9mmP, but lack some stoping power, as it continues thru most objects. One reason that many manufactures still offer that caliber, is that it is an easy change over from 9mm for those countries (Italy, Mexico, etc) than do not allow "civilians" to own 9mm pistols. TH

Vlim · 12-23-2005, 03:59 PM

Indeed, the main reason for the changeover from 7.65 para to 9mm was that many countries testing the luger were not satisfied about the stopping power of the first.

The 7.65 para or .30 luger is basically a shortened version of the 7.63 Borchardt round, which also formed the basis for the 7.63 Mauser round.

Kohaku2416 · 12-23-2005, 04:00 PM

So is the 7.65 like a shortened shortened version of the 7.63 mauser round?

Ron Wood · 12-23-2005, 05:38 PM

The 7.63 Mauser is a direct descendent of the 7.63 Borchardt. Virtually identical but loaded a lot hotter. As a matter of fact. I have seen boxes of 7.63mm ammo that stated right on the box that it was for Mauser AND Borchardt. Not recommended.

The 7.65para is, as Gerben stated, a descendent of the 7.63 Borchardt but shorter and loaded a little hotter.

12-22-2005, 04:23 PM	#1
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	30 Luger vs 9mm Luger How does the 7.65mm stack up against the 9mm Luger round? i have heard that the 7.65 is a bad round and that is why the germans switched over the the 9mm's but the 7.65 can't be that bad if it stayed in production alongside the 9mm lugers and ive also seen Ruger 89's and Browning Hi Powers in the 30 luger. Can someone shed some light for me on the 30.luger's stopping power and what not. Also would the round make a decent self defense round or would it just be better to use it as a plinker? Reason i ask is because im just kinda currious and you guys seem to know what your talking about when it comes to this sorta thing

12-22-2005, 04:56 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	you can use a .22 long rifle as a self defensive gun, but obviouslyu not the first choice. It was more stopping power, the US liked the 45, the Germans decided on 9mm instead of 7.65mm. Always keep in mind, that even if in the right, your pistol will be taken by the police until investigation is over. Far better to use a Mak, or a clone 45 ACP for self defense. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-23-2005, 10:08 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	IMHO the 7.65mmP is a faster, flater shooting round with more penetration than the 9mmP, but lack some stoping power, as it continues thru most objects. One reason that many manufactures still offer that caliber, is that it is an easy change over from 9mm for those countries (Italy, Mexico, etc) than do not allow "civilians" to own 9mm pistols. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-23-2005, 05:38 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,986 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,088 Times in 1,674 Posts	The 7.63 Mauser is a direct descendent of the 7.63 Borchardt. Virtually identical but loaded a lot hotter. As a matter of fact. I have seen boxes of 7.63mm ammo that stated right on the box that it was for Mauser AND Borchardt. Not recommended. The 7.65para is, as Gerben stated, a descendent of the 7.63 Borchardt but shorter and loaded a little hotter. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-23-2005, 03:59 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,032 Thanks: 1,018 Thanked 3,873 Times in 1,184 Posts	Indeed, the main reason for the changeover from 7.65 para to 9mm was that many countries testing the luger were not satisfied about the stopping power of the first. The 7.65 para or .30 luger is basically a shortened version of the 7.63 Borchardt round, which also formed the basis for the 7.63 Mauser round.

12-23-2005, 04:00 PM	#5
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	So is the 7.65 like a shortened shortened version of the 7.63 mauser round?