Shoulder Stock???

Johnny C. Kitchens · 03-09-2004, 02:22 AM

I was wondering if this worth anything today and is it legit. I bought a shoulder stock in 81 or 82, that I always thought was just a reproduction of no importance. I havn't even thought about it since the late 80s. The shoulder stock came in the plainest unmarked blue box you can imagine. Inside the box inside a plastic ziplock bag is a certificate, titled "CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AND REGISTRATION", on the left side of the certificate is the "Original Mauser" logo above the address Collector Division, Odin International, Ltd., 818 Slaters Lane, Alexandria, VA 22314. To the right side it has a date of June 5,1981, Stock #666.
Then the main body of the certicate states the following.

This certificate certifies that the Mauser Parabellum Artillery Stock is one of a limited edition of 5000 units. These unique stocks were produced for Parabellum collectors. Limited production of the original Artillery Parabellum stock was authorized by the famous Mauser Werke located in Oberndorf, Germany.

The certificate is signed by Thomas B. Nelson, President.

Anyone else seen or heard of these before? Is it as real as this certficate makes it sound? I will say that it is very well made...

Ron Wood · 03-09-2004, 02:49 AM

I heard some time ago that Odin also made some Navy repro stocks, but I'll be darned if I can remember when or where.

Navy · 03-09-2004, 07:46 AM

Ron,
You are correct. I have an Odin Navy stock with the same certificate. It is an exact copy of the original. I bought it on Ebay last summer.

Tom A.

Russ · 03-09-2004, 08:33 AM

Johnny I just sold one of these on ebay. It went for well over 300.00$

Russ

Johnny C. Kitchens · 03-09-2004, 10:37 AM

$300!!! WOW, I think I bought mine for around $80... I remember seeing them piled up at a gun show in Fort Woth. They also had stocks for other handguns, known for their shoulder stocks. For some reason I just had to have it. I'm glad I did get it now!!!

Sieger · 03-09-2004, 10:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Johnny C. Kitchens:
I was wondering if this worth anything today and is it legit. I bought a shoulder stock in 81 or 82, that I always thought was just a reproduction of no importance. I havn't even thought about it since the late 80s. The shoulder stock came in the plainest unmarked blue box you can imagine. Inside the box inside a plastic ziplock bag is a certificate, titled "CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AND REGISTRATION", on the left side of the certificate is the "Original Mauser" logo above the address Collector Division, Odin International, Ltd., 818 Slaters Lane, Alexandria, VA 22314. To the right side it has a date of June 5,1981, Stock #666.
Then the main body of the certicate states the following.

This certificate certifies that the Mauser Parabellum Artillery Stock is one of a limited edition of 5000 units. These unique stocks were produced for Parabellum collectors. Limited production of the original Artillery Parabellum stock was authorized by the famous Mauser Werke located in Oberndorf, Germany.

The certificate is signed by Thomas B. Nelson, President.

Anyone else seen or heard of these before? Is it as real as this certficate makes it sound? I will say that it is very well made...<hr /></blockquote>Hi:

I purchased one just like yours in the early 80s from Collector's Armory in Alexandria Va. I have all of the same paperwork and the same blue box. It cost around $89 with tax, if memory serves.

Strangely, he also had a Persian Mauser LP-08 in almost mint condition for $1,200. Oh well!

Sieger

Lugerdoc · 03-09-2004, 11:07 AM

These Odin stocks were made in Spain about 30 years ago. I could have purchased the last 2000 of them when they went out of business, but did not have the storage space. Sarco ended up with these and still are offering the wood without metal lug for around $99. TH

mauro · 03-09-2004, 03:04 PM

Johnny,
I have one of them as well. Really good item. The fact that is certified by Mauser increase the interest and the value of this stock.
Ciao
Mauro

Navy · 03-09-2004, 10:28 PM

When you find one, BUY IT!

Tom A.

Sieger · 03-10-2004, 01:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mauro:
Johnny,
I have one of them as well. Really good item. The fact that is certified by Mauser increase the interest and the value of this stock.
Ciao
Mauro<hr /></blockquote>Hi:

Yes, at the time I told the owner of Collectors Armory that "Mauser never made these...". They didn't look like a German product to me.

Now why did Mauser have a Spanish firm make them and then "ceritfy" them? This didn't make any sense to me then, either.

Sieger

Vlim · 03-10-2004, 08:53 AM

Hi,

Mauser subcontracted a lot of parts and had some swapdeals with a number of European companies, like FEG in Budapest and Gamba in Italy. Mauser magazine bodies were produced in the Netherlands and they purchased swiss tools to reproduce the postwar Mauser-Parabellum. So it doesn't surprise me that a Spanish firm was producing stocks.

All in an attempt to cut prices, since labor force rates in 1970's - 1980's Germany were very expensive (and it finally helped pushing Mauser out of the pistolmaking business altogehter).

That's also the reason why many manufacturing firms are leaving Europe or are setting up plants in 2nd/3rd world countries. Western-European work is too expensive...

Navy · 03-10-2004, 09:41 PM

All,

I can only give an "Amen" to the previous post. I ran a firm in Germany in 1992-1993. The labor costs with legally mandared fringe was EXHORBITANT.

You can't do business competitively in Europe using a European work force.

My zwei pfennigs

Tom A

Pete Ebbink · 06-04-2004, 07:35 PM

Navy Mauser Stock :

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976473810.htm

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

03-09-2004, 02:22 AM	#1
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Shoulder Stock??? I was wondering if this worth anything today and is it legit. I bought a shoulder stock in 81 or 82, that I always thought was just a reproduction of no importance. I havn't even thought about it since the late 80s. The shoulder stock came in the plainest unmarked blue box you can imagine. Inside the box inside a plastic ziplock bag is a certificate, titled "CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AND REGISTRATION", on the left side of the certificate is the "Original Mauser" logo above the address Collector Division, Odin International, Ltd., 818 Slaters Lane, Alexandria, VA 22314. To the right side it has a date of June 5,1981, Stock #666. Then the main body of the certicate states the following. This certificate certifies that the Mauser Parabellum Artillery Stock is one of a limited edition of 5000 units. These unique stocks were produced for Parabellum collectors. Limited production of the original Artillery Parabellum stock was authorized by the famous Mauser Werke located in Oberndorf, Germany. The certificate is signed by Thomas B. Nelson, President. Anyone else seen or heard of these before? Is it as real as this certficate makes it sound? I will say that it is very well made... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

03-09-2004, 02:49 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	I heard some time ago that Odin also made some Navy repro stocks, but I'll be darned if I can remember when or where. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-09-2004, 08:33 AM	#4
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Johnny I just sold one of these on ebay. It went for well over 300.00$ Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

03-09-2004, 10:37 AM	#5
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	$300!!! WOW, I think I bought mine for around $80... I remember seeing them piled up at a gun show in Fort Woth. They also had stocks for other handguns, known for their shoulder stocks. For some reason I just had to have it. I'm glad I did get it now!!! __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

03-09-2004, 11:07 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	These Odin stocks were made in Spain about 30 years ago. I could have purchased the last 2000 of them when they went out of business, but did not have the storage space. Sarco ended up with these and still are offering the wood without metal lug for around $99. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-09-2004, 07:46 AM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Ron, You are correct. I have an Odin Navy stock with the same certificate. It is an exact copy of the original. I bought it on Ebay last summer. Tom A.

03-09-2004, 10:59 AM	#6
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Johnny C. Kitchens: <strong>I was wondering if this worth anything today and is it legit. I bought a shoulder stock in 81 or 82, that I always thought was just a reproduction of no importance. I havn't even thought about it since the late 80s. The shoulder stock came in the plainest unmarked blue box you can imagine. Inside the box inside a plastic ziplock bag is a certificate, titled "CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY AND REGISTRATION", on the left side of the certificate is the "Original Mauser" logo above the address Collector Division, Odin International, Ltd., 818 Slaters Lane, Alexandria, VA 22314. To the right side it has a date of June 5,1981, Stock #666. Then the main body of the certicate states the following. This certificate certifies that the Mauser Parabellum Artillery Stock is one of a limited edition of 5000 units. These unique stocks were produced for Parabellum collectors. Limited production of the original Artillery Parabellum stock was authorized by the famous Mauser Werke located in Oberndorf, Germany. The certificate is signed by Thomas B. Nelson, President. Anyone else seen or heard of these before? Is it as real as this certficate makes it sound? I will say that it is very well made...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi: I purchased one just like yours in the early 80s from Collector's Armory in Alexandria Va. I have all of the same paperwork and the same blue box. It cost around $89 with tax, if memory serves. Strangely, he also had a Persian Mauser LP-08 in almost mint condition for $1,200. Oh well! Sieger

03-09-2004, 03:04 PM	#8
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Johnny, I have one of them as well. Really good item. The fact that is certified by Mauser increase the interest and the value of this stock. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

03-09-2004, 10:28 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	When you find one, BUY IT! Tom A.

03-10-2004, 01:21 AM	#10
Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by mauro: <strong>Johnny, I have one of them as well. Really good item. The fact that is certified by Mauser increase the interest and the value of this stock. Ciao Mauro</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hi: Yes, at the time I told the owner of Collectors Armory that "Mauser never made these...". They didn't look like a German product to me. Now why did Mauser have a Spanish firm make them and then "ceritfy" them? This didn't make any sense to me then, either. Sieger

03-10-2004, 08:53 AM	#11
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,020 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Hi, Mauser subcontracted a lot of parts and had some swapdeals with a number of European companies, like FEG in Budapest and Gamba in Italy. Mauser magazine bodies were produced in the Netherlands and they purchased swiss tools to reproduce the postwar Mauser-Parabellum. So it doesn't surprise me that a Spanish firm was producing stocks. All in an attempt to cut prices, since labor force rates in 1970's - 1980's Germany were very expensive (and it finally helped pushing Mauser out of the pistolmaking business altogehter). That's also the reason why many manufacturing firms are leaving Europe or are setting up plants in 2nd/3rd world countries. Western-European work is too expensive...

03-10-2004, 09:41 PM	#12
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, I can only give an "Amen" to the previous post. I ran a firm in Germany in 1992-1993. The labor costs with legally mandared fringe was EXHORBITANT. You can't do business competitively in Europe using a European work force. My zwei pfennigs Tom A

06-04-2004, 07:35 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Navy Mauser Stock : http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976473810.htm Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />