Question on mag

romer12 · 10-29-2010, 03:26 PM

I have a couple of dark blue luger mages. look similar to the FXO mags, but not so marked. All metal except the plastic base, similar to the FXO. Only markings are:
MADE IN GERMANY on the bottom of spine.
I have always been under the impression anything made in Germany after 1945 was always marked: MADE IN WEST GERMANY. This mag does not show the word 'west'.
Could this be a commercial pre-war mag. ???

The mag seems to be very well made............and in good condition. Thanks JOHN

Vlim · 10-29-2010, 04:39 PM

It is a late (mid 1980s) post war Mauser Parabellum magazine. The tube was made in Holland, but the magazine was put together in Germany, hence the marking.

If you want to part with one of those, I'd be interested

romer12 · 10-29-2010, 06:16 PM

I am using these two mags. in two artillery lugers as not to use the original wood base mags. will advise if I change my mind.
Thanks

Neil Young · 10-29-2010, 06:47 PM

Vlim:
I have a similar looking magazine, but it has "Made in Holland" on it's spine. Is this the same basic magazine? It came with my shooter.

Neil

G.T. · 10-29-2010, 07:04 PM

The post war "Mauser" mag, and the "Made in Holland" mag are.... The same, only different!!!...

... The follower mag spring is waaaay different in the two..... The Mauser marked mag has the stiffest (sp.?) spring I know of.. and some / they, (post war Mausers) need it to work!...

... Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

sheepherder · 10-29-2010, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by romer12

I am using these two mags. in two artillery lugers as not to use the original wood base mags. will advise if I change my mind.
Thanks

From GT's comments, it sounds as though you would be better off buying a pair of Mec-Gar mags and selling the Mauser mags...for a suitably appropriate price...

romer12 · 10-29-2010, 09:49 PM

what you say is true, but I don't know the market value of my two mags ? and what 2 market mags would cost......

Ron Wood · 10-29-2010, 09:52 PM

Contact Gerben (Vlim) directly by PM. He is a honest guy and would work with you on an appropriate buy or swap. He collects this type of item so I am sure he would work in the best interests of both of you.

Vlim · 10-30-2010, 12:18 PM

Hi,

Basically there are 4 types of post war Mauser magazines (actually 5):

MFT (Metaalwarenfabriek Tilburg) made:
-Black magazines with plastic bottom and Mauser banner (Mauser contract, sold with MP).
-Black magazines with Mauser banner + made in holland (sold directly to Interarms).
-Black magazines with only made in holland (after Mauser objected against unlicensed use of their banner)

Mauser had magazines assembled from MFT tubes in the mid 1980s. These are the ones shown here.

The last version is a series of magazines that MecGar did for Interarms. These have the Interarms name in a Mauser-type banner on the spine.

There are some variations, these were made to go with the commemoratives and may have nickleplated bodies and/or wooden bottoms.

The initial magazine followers were made from left-over aluminum 9x19 para blanks, supplied by sister company NWM.

G.T. · 10-30-2010, 12:38 PM

Hi romer12, I'm in total agreement with Rons indorsment of Gerben, he is an outstanding member of our little family here... as for the mags, another reason they are not good shooter candidates is in a very short time, the plastic bottoms will fracture and all the insides, will be outsides!!

... Up-graded MEC-GAR mags are better in almost every respect.... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT

romer12 · 10-30-2010, 12:50 PM

thanks G.T. for input. have had and used these 2 mags for a number of years. no cracks or sign of fatigue. that is the reason not looking for the mec-gar as replacements.

G.T. · 10-30-2010, 01:06 PM

Hi romer12, yes, they can go for quite awhile, and some will probably never fail... but they seem to do it at the worst possible time! ..

... Mec-Gar mags suffer somewhat form this same affliction... I have replaced many bottoms in both types, and the much stronger spring in the Mauser type mags sure doesn't help the weakened plastic bottoms any.. For shooting, Aluminum bottoms, or Swiss Bakelite bottoms would be my first and second choice.. Good dense solid walnut is satisfactory, but not nearly as strong as the aluminum...

... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT

romer12 · 10-30-2010, 01:13 PM

I hear you G.T. the springs in my mags are strong and feed very well. to be on the safe side I bought a couple wood bases for the mags. needless to say have not needed them so far.
Been playing with WW1 and
WW2 lugers for over fifty years. never had a base go on me, wood, aluminum or plastic.
hope my lucks holds. thanks again for input.

G.T. · 10-30-2010, 02:38 PM

Hi romer12, Yes, failures are rare... Most of the time bottom replacement is just preventitive medicine..

...I hope yours (and my) luck continues,

...best to you, til...lat'r...GT

romer12 · 10-30-2010, 03:07 PM

and many happy returns and hunting in the luger jungle...

10-29-2010, 03:26 PM	#1
romer12 User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N.J. Posts: 85 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Question on mag I have a couple of dark blue luger mages. look similar to the FXO mags, but not so marked. All metal except the plastic base, similar to the FXO. Only markings are: MADE IN GERMANY on the bottom of spine. I have always been under the impression anything made in Germany after 1945 was always marked: MADE IN WEST GERMANY. This mag does not show the word 'west'. Could this be a commercial pre-war mag. ??? The mag seems to be very well made............and in good condition. Thanks JOHN Attached Thumbnails __________________ blessed are those who expect nothing.........for they shall not be disappointed.

10-29-2010, 06:16 PM	#3
romer12 User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N.J. Posts: 85 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	mag I am using these two mags. in two artillery lugers as not to use the original wood base mags. will advise if I change my mind. Thanks __________________ blessed are those who expect nothing.........for they shall not be disappointed.

10-29-2010, 06:47 PM	#4
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 540 Thanks: 546 Thanked 438 Times in 165 Posts	Vlim: I have a similar looking magazine, but it has "Made in Holland" on it's spine. Is this the same basic magazine? It came with my shooter. Neil __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

10-29-2010, 07:04 PM	#5
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Mags.. The post war "Mauser" mag, and the "Made in Holland" mag are.... The same, only different!!!...... The follower mag spring is waaaay different in the two..... The Mauser marked mag has the stiffest (sp.?) spring I know of.. and some / they, (post war Mausers) need it to work!...... Best to all, til...lat'r...GT

10-29-2010, 09:49 PM	#7
romer12 User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N.J. Posts: 85 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	mags what you say is true, but I don't know the market value of my two mags ? and what 2 market mags would cost...... __________________ blessed are those who expect nothing.........for they shall not be disappointed.

10-29-2010, 04:39 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	It is a late (mid 1980s) post war Mauser Parabellum magazine. The tube was made in Holland, but the magazine was put together in Germany, hence the marking. If you want to part with one of those, I'd be interested

10-29-2010, 09:52 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,065 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Contact Gerben (Vlim) directly by PM. He is a honest guy and would work with you on an appropriate buy or swap. He collects this type of item so I am sure he would work in the best interests of both of you. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-30-2010, 12:18 PM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,034 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 3,882 Times in 1,186 Posts	Hi, Basically there are 4 types of post war Mauser magazines (actually 5): MFT (Metaalwarenfabriek Tilburg) made: -Black magazines with plastic bottom and Mauser banner (Mauser contract, sold with MP). -Black magazines with Mauser banner + made in holland (sold directly to Interarms). -Black magazines with only made in holland (after Mauser objected against unlicensed use of their banner) Mauser had magazines assembled from MFT tubes in the mid 1980s. These are the ones shown here. The last version is a series of magazines that MecGar did for Interarms. These have the Interarms name in a Mauser-type banner on the spine. There are some variations, these were made to go with the commemoratives and may have nickleplated bodies and/or wooden bottoms. The initial magazine followers were made from left-over aluminum 9x19 para blanks, supplied by sister company NWM.

10-30-2010, 12:38 PM	#10
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Mauser Parabellum mag quirks Hi romer12, I'm in total agreement with Rons indorsment of Gerben, he is an outstanding member of our little family here... as for the mags, another reason they are not good shooter candidates is in a very short time, the plastic bottoms will fracture and all the insides, will be outsides!!... Up-graded MEC-GAR mags are better in almost every respect.... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT

10-30-2010, 12:50 PM	#11
romer12 User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N.J. Posts: 85 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	thanks G.T. for input. have had and used these 2 mags for a number of years. no cracks or sign of fatigue. that is the reason not looking for the mec-gar as replacements. __________________ blessed are those who expect nothing.........for they shall not be disappointed.

10-30-2010, 01:06 PM	#12
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	mag bottoms Hi romer12, yes, they can go for quite awhile, and some will probably never fail... but they seem to do it at the worst possible time! ..... Mec-Gar mags suffer somewhat form this same affliction... I have replaced many bottoms in both types, and the much stronger spring in the Mauser type mags sure doesn't help the weakened plastic bottoms any.. For shooting, Aluminum bottoms, or Swiss Bakelite bottoms would be my first and second choice.. Good dense solid walnut is satisfactory, but not nearly as strong as the aluminum... ... Best to you, til...lat'r...GT

10-30-2010, 01:13 PM	#13
romer12 User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N.J. Posts: 85 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	I hear you G.T. the springs in my mags are strong and feed very well. to be on the safe side I bought a couple wood bases for the mags. needless to say have not needed them so far. Been playing with WW1 and WW2 lugers for over fifty years. never had a base go on me, wood, aluminum or plastic. hope my lucks holds. thanks again for input. __________________ blessed are those who expect nothing.........for they shall not be disappointed.

10-30-2010, 02:38 PM	#14
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,283 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	Mags.. Hi romer12, Yes, failures are rare... Most of the time bottom replacement is just preventitive medicine.. ...I hope yours (and my) luck continues, ...best to you, til...lat'r...GT

10-30-2010, 03:07 PM	#15
romer12 User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: N.J. Posts: 85 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	mags and many happy returns and hunting in the luger jungle... __________________ blessed are those who expect nothing.........for they shall not be disappointed.