Fine Tune Sight Adjustment Tools for LP-08

Imperial Arms · 07-09-2003, 12:18 AM

Over the past year, I have since numerous fine tune sight adjustment tools for the LP-08 being offered on eBay which are fetching between $60-$90. It gives me bad 'vibes' to see so many of these rare tools being sold which seem too good too be true.

Last month when I visited a friend in Italy to be entertained with his fine collection of Luger and Mauser pistols (as well as accessories), he shared some details with me which seemed to be correct in regards to these tools. He told me that the correct sight tools contained copper (which can be seen at the tip) and many of those on eBay are fake/repros. In addition, the checkering on the shaft appears to be bigger and course whereas the fake ones have smooth checkering.

Can any expert on this forum please share their views on this subject and provide any additional information (images always helpful) which can distinguish between a genuine and fake sight adjustment tool. Did these sight tools have any proof marks in the same manner as a loading tool or maybe a cleaning rod?

All opinions and comments are welcome which might help any collector from getting 'burned' with these tools even if it is less than a $100.

Thanks,
Albert

policeluger · 07-09-2003, 09:20 AM

I have a sight tool for sale on Auction Arms, it has one tip broken off, but I have had the tool for perhaps 30 years...I always thought it was brass, not copper.

Lugerdoc · 07-09-2003, 09:40 AM

Albert, I've seen both copper colored and brass colored ones, both with steel tips. I believe that the brass colored ones are the reproductions. TH

John Sabato · 07-09-2003, 11:27 AM

Albert, I have collected photographs of these tools from eBay for several years... I am unfortuately separated from my photo archive for a couple of more weeks as my system is being replaced and I have off-loaded the archive to not easily accessible storage...

If you can send me a reminder toward the end of this month... my new system should be up and running with the photo archive readily available and I will try to pull out all the photos I can find of these tools and we can see what the details show...

I must add that in my best recollection that the photos used by the those who have sold these tools on ebay have never been of very high quality but we shall see what they show once I have them all in one place...

I sometimes wonder if the poor photographic quality is by design or simply because of poor photographic skills...

Big Norm · 07-09-2003, 02:25 PM

I would think that brass would be stronger than copper and therefore the better of two bad choices of metals. I use a stainless steel 'T' bar one instead of my brass one. I don't want it to break in the middle of adjusting my artillery sights.
Big Norm

Lugerdoc · 07-09-2003, 06:28 PM

Norm, I agree that for actual use, the originals or copies of them are almost worthless, if the sight is stickey (usually caused be the rim of the screw being out of round). For the tough ones I use my ground down (to two properly spaced points) Stanley screw driver. TH

Big Norm · 07-09-2003, 11:46 PM

Tom,
yah, its a long trip home from the shooting range if the adjusting tool breaks. Simpson used to sell the stainless steel tool a long time ago. I think that the sales volumn was too small so he discontinued selling them. I picked mine up from the guy on GunBroker who has that web site tied up with a lot of other stuff for $48 including S&H. That price compares favorably to the brass tool. Your idea of grinding a screw driver to fit sounds good.
Big Norm

mauro · 07-12-2003, 06:29 PM

It is possible to see seven sight adjusting tools at page 59 of my book. I believe that all types are presented. Three are T shape tools and one of them is proof stamped. At page 193 of StillÃ¢??s book Imperial Luger there is an interesting tool used with Navy LP08 with a Ã¢??MÃ¢?Â stamp.
In the picture attached a picture from my book where are visible two adjusting tools.
Ciao

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/accessories.jpg

Pete Ebbink · 07-16-2003, 09:55 AM

Interesting tool now on e-Bay :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13965

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

chromeed · 11-09-2010, 04:58 PM

CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN HOW TO FINE ADJUST THE REAR SIGHT>
I picked up my !917 Artillary yesterday morning, cleaned it and took it to the range with a aftermarket stock that fit the old holster perfict (It might match the gun if I left it out in the yard for about 5 yr. The gun shot great 70 rounds fired with only one jam and that was without the stock so it might have been (LIMP WRIST).
It hit nthe target high at 25 yd about 3" at 100 yw maybe 8" or more.
On the rear sight there is an adjustment screw which looks like a security head 2 holes. I purchased the tool below but is their any Directions on how to use it?
It will be a few days before I get it so I think I will spray that screw with Penetrating Oil several times to get ready as the gun had some rust on it.

07-09-2003, 12:18 AM	#1
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Fine Tune Sight Adjustment Tools for LP-08 Over the past year, I have since numerous fine tune sight adjustment tools for the LP-08 being offered on eBay which are fetching between $60-$90. It gives me bad 'vibes' to see so many of these rare tools being sold which seem too good too be true. Last month when I visited a friend in Italy to be entertained with his fine collection of Luger and Mauser pistols (as well as accessories), he shared some details with me which seemed to be correct in regards to these tools. He told me that the correct sight tools contained copper (which can be seen at the tip) and many of those on eBay are fake/repros. In addition, the checkering on the shaft appears to be bigger and course whereas the fake ones have smooth checkering. Can any expert on this forum please share their views on this subject and provide any additional information (images always helpful) which can distinguish between a genuine and fake sight adjustment tool. Did these sight tools have any proof marks in the same manner as a loading tool or maybe a cleaning rod? All opinions and comments are welcome which might help any collector from getting 'burned' with these tools even if it is less than a $100. Thanks, Albert

07-09-2003, 09:40 AM	#3
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Albert, I've seen both copper colored and brass colored ones, both with steel tips. I believe that the brass colored ones are the reproductions. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-09-2003, 11:27 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Albert, I have collected photographs of these tools from eBay for several years... I am unfortuately separated from my photo archive for a couple of more weeks as my system is being replaced and I have off-loaded the archive to not easily accessible storage... If you can send me a reminder toward the end of this month... my new system should be up and running with the photo archive readily available and I will try to pull out all the photos I can find of these tools and we can see what the details show... I must add that in my best recollection that the photos used by the those who have sold these tools on ebay have never been of very high quality but we shall see what they show once I have them all in one place... I sometimes wonder if the poor photographic quality is by design or simply because of poor photographic skills... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-09-2003, 06:28 PM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Norm, I agree that for actual use, the originals or copies of them are almost worthless, if the sight is stickey (usually caused be the rim of the screw being out of round). For the tough ones I use my ground down (to two properly spaced points) Stanley screw driver. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

07-12-2003, 06:29 PM	#8
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	It is possible to see seven sight adjusting tools at page 59 of my book. I believe that all types are presented. Three are T shape tools and one of them is proof stamped. At page 193 of StillÃ¢??s book Imperial Luger there is an interesting tool used with Navy LP08 with a Ã¢??MÃ¢?Â stamp. In the picture attached a picture from my book where are visible two adjusting tools. Ciao http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/accessories.jpg __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

07-09-2003, 09:20 AM	#2
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I have a sight tool for sale on Auction Arms, it has one tip broken off, but I have had the tool for perhaps 30 years...I always thought it was brass, not copper.

07-09-2003, 02:25 PM	#5
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I would think that brass would be stronger than copper and therefore the better of two bad choices of metals. I use a stainless steel 'T' bar one instead of my brass one. I don't want it to break in the middle of adjusting my artillery sights. Big Norm

07-09-2003, 11:46 PM	#7
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Tom, yah, its a long trip home from the shooting range if the adjusting tool breaks. Simpson used to sell the stainless steel tool a long time ago. I think that the sales volumn was too small so he discontinued selling them. I picked mine up from the guy on GunBroker who has that web site tied up with a lot of other stuff for $48 including S&H. That price compares favorably to the brass tool. Your idea of grinding a screw driver to fit sounds good. Big Norm

07-16-2003, 09:55 AM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Interesting tool now on e-Bay : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13965 Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-09-2010, 04:58 PM	#10
chromeed User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North Georgia Posts: 81 Thanks: 1 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts	!917 Artillary Sight Adjustment CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN HOW TO FINE ADJUST THE REAR SIGHT> I picked up my !917 Artillary yesterday morning, cleaned it and took it to the range with a aftermarket stock that fit the old holster perfict (It might match the gun if I left it out in the yard for about 5 yr. The gun shot great 70 rounds fired with only one jam and that was without the stock so it might have been (LIMP WRIST). It hit nthe target high at 25 yd about 3" at 100 yw maybe 8" or more. On the rear sight there is an adjustment screw which looks like a security head 2 holes. I purchased the tool below but is their any Directions on how to use it? It will be a few days before I get it so I think I will spray that screw with Penetrating Oil several times to get ready as the gun had some rust on it. Attached Images