luger pic [i hope]

[norm]

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[John Sabato]

A fine looking Navy Luger Norm... could you take more photos of the other side, the top, and closeups of any proof marks or stamps? that would help the identification.

[norm]

HI john,

thanks for the quick reply. I will post more pics. First one only took a few hours.

[Big Norm]

Norm,
not a bad picture for the first time try. But as John said, we need the other side and some additional pictures to properly ID the gun.

Try looking at
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=21606228
for a nice write up on a 1906 2nd issue navy. It is a good read. I have bid in on it but the guys reserve bid is too high.
Big Norm

[tracyp]

Norm,

He wants $6500, way too high. He seems to be pretty high on everything.

Tracy

[Big Norm]

Tracy,
Yep, his reserve prices are on the high side. I noticed that his Model 1914 navy isn't listed anymore. I wonder if someone with big bucks got that one?

The 1918 artillery rig has a reserve price of $8,500 on it. I question the stock cup and the magazine pouch. They look newish. He doesn't say that it has original blue and the barrel looks maybe redone. But I only took a quick look since I already have a rig (minus the leather goodies) for that year. But some of his guns look nice and his writeups are pretty good.
Big Norm <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[norm]

JUST BACK FROM CONSULT WITH LUGER GUY AT THE MAUMEE GUN COLLECTORS. BAD NEW , LUGER IS A REBLUE WITH ALL MATCHING NUMBERS. VERY GOOD CONDITION WITH GOOD BORE. ANY THOUGHTS AS TO VALUE? ANYBODY INTERESTED?

[Tomathvl]

Good write-ups, good pictures but Caveat Emptor definitely applies. Think this guy was a used car salesman at one time. My experience with him was not a happy one for me. I ended up with an overpriced rig that he wouldnâ??t let me return. I thought the price he charged didnâ??t match his description or pictures and that was not a good enough reason to return in the three day period. Whoever takes the pictures is good; good for the seller.
Tom

[Ron Smith]

I have been told by a reliable source that this seller is honest. But,it is "suspected"(?) that he is being duped into brokering questionable Lugers. For a very well known big time dealer. Kind of a Luger laundering situation.
As I said, "suspected". Not confirmed.

Ron

[Navy]

Saw his display at Chantilly VA gunshow. Had some very *unusual* items, including some that were down right questionable, as in fantasy, IMHO. Have also been informed by reliable member of this forum that the operation is a shill for a very well known but highly controversial dealer who has been reported to boost.

No question that this is a very pretty navy from the photos, but I think it is probably $1500 overpriced. I do have a little concern that the finish wear is not consistent throughout the gun; ie, compare the grip safety wear with the side frame and barrel...

My zwei pfennigs
Tom A.

[Tomathvl]

Ron,
Nothing personal and no disrespect to your opinion but I think he is less than honest. IMHO, sleazy tactics and honesty don't jive in my book. Not honoring your word doesn't fit either.
Tom

[Ron Smith]

Tom, You may well be right. I was just going by what I've been told. I would think that he may be as deep in the muck as he is in the mire. Can't imagine that he would'nt have some clue as to what he is selling. BTW, No offense taken,what so ever.

Ron

[Ron Wood]

It is pretty hard to tell from the pictures whether the finish is original or not. If you look closely at the several pictures on the website, you can see that the overall finish of the piece is not as pristine as the "glamor shots" would lead you to believe. Type of lighting and camera angle can really alter the appearance of a Luger. Tungsten light will make the finish appear more uniform and darker than full spectrum natural sunlight.

I agree with Tom A., the price is at least $1500 too high, but it is a nice looking piece.

[Tomathvl]

Tom A., Ron,
Ron, IMHO, youâ??re correct about the lighting and camera angle. Itâ??s what masks the real condition of the piece. The inconsistency in the finish that Tom A refers to is probably due to the lighting. The piece I bought was rated at 98%+ and looked excellent in the photos. I suspect the navy would suffer from the same condition and itâ??s rated at 98%+. The disclaimer at the bottom of his write-ups discusses the subjectivity of finish evaluations and then he rates his pieces high and then explains your evaluation verses his away as all subjectivity. I think some subjectivity comes into play when youâ??re discussing 96% verses 98% not 90% verses 98%. When I received the piece it wasnâ??t like the pictures and definitely wasnâ??t 98%+. It also had very bad rust under the grips which wasnâ??t in the description and one of the grips was dented which wasnâ??t shown in the photos. My estimate was about 90% finish. I called within 3 days and explained I wasnâ??t happy with the gun and wanted to return it; he asked me what I didnâ??t like. I told him the finish wasnâ??t as advertised and about the rust and grip and that I paid too much for the piece for the condition it was in. He said that was all subjective and he wouldnâ??t take it back based on that complaint. Bottom line is I still have it. Itâ??s part of my Luger U education. Very expensive education, I hope I learned something of value for the future other than not dealing with him.
Tom

[Edward Tinker]

Tom, sorry about your education, but thanks for sharing it with us! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

ed

[Big Norm]

The lighting on the photos comment by Ron Wood is something that I thought of too. I am glad that Ron made note of it.

In my book, anyone that will not honor a 3 day inspection period is someone that I don't want to do business with. Its even more serious when the seller advertises such an inspection period and still doesn't honor it.

All this goes to show, its much better to buy guns at gun shows where I can see and feel the soul of my purchase. Then if anything goes wrong, I can blame my own stupidity and over eagerness.
Big Norm

[Big Norm]

I almost forgot to comment to the original post by norm, I'll call him norm#2 to avoid confusion.

You say that your Luger has been restored. I hope that the 'expert' at the Maumee show gave you a lesson in detecting a restored gun. It will prove to be invaluable to you in future purchases. But fixing a price on restored Lugers is tough and someone would actually have to see the gun to make a determination. While all restored Lugers will be worth less that original Lugers, There is a big difference in the talent of various restorers. Some restored Lugers almost have to be given away while others need to be closely examined to determine if they were restored at all.

Sometimes you have to use common sense when looking at a luger. If the grips are all worn out and the bore is worn down but the bluing and strawing is perfect, then you know that something is amiss. If there is no numbering under the barrel and the bore is perfect, then the gun has been rebarreled. So on and so forth.
Big Norm

[Pete Ebbink]

I think there are still some dealers out there that offer a 3-day inspection and return-for-any-reason policy. A buyer's only risk would be loosing the $ 25-35 each way to "see" the gun in person. This also assumes the gun is returned in the condition it was sent.

Those are the folks I would deal with, if I cannot travel to see a piece in person.

Regards,

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