A&F Luger in AZ State

Pete Ebbink · 11-30-2007, 01:30 PM

Looks like this one is SN 5249i with an asking price of $ 12,000 USD :

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/co...swissluger.jsp

Why a 2-line inscription on a 7,65 mm gun...???...

Is the left "arm" of the Swiss cross a bit too long...???...

In the Charles Kenyon article about the A&F Lugers for "The Gun Report" magazine of April 1995 on page 47 (actually a 2-part article), Kenyon surmises for the A&F Lugers a "...serial range; approximately 2650i - 3200i, although not sequential reflects a lot purchase from factory inventory stores...".

Author Vittorio Bobba in his large book on Swiss Lugers on page 122 surmises a SN range for these guns from 2000-3500i.

Only 100 of these A&F guns are thought to exist; 49 in 9 mm (with a 2-line barrel inscription) and 51 in 7,65 mm (with a 1-line barrel inscription).

So why do we see this AZ gun with a SN of 5259i...???...

Also in the recent Greg Martin auction in SF, they had offered two other A&F Lugers with SN's of 5366i and 5553i...

http://68.167.203.107:8050/FMPro?-db...12589638&-Find

http://68.167.203.107:8050/FMPro?-db...12589526&-Find

On the other hand, the folks at FGS have this SN 28xxi for sale...which fits, well, within the Kenyon SN range :

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/images/lug10209.jpg

I suppose one could start with a gun like this SN 2433i (1920's Swiss commercial gun) add the "new" barrel and its A&F enscription and end up with an even "better" forgery of an A&F Luger...???...taking a $ 2000 gun up to a $ 10-12K gun...at least such a modified gun would "fit" into the right SN range Kenyon mentions.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=1888

11-30-2007, 01:30 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	A&F Luger in AZ State Looks like this one is SN 5249i with an asking price of $ 12,000 USD : http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/co...swissluger.jsp Why a 2-line inscription on a 7,65 mm gun...???... Is the left "arm" of the Swiss cross a bit too long...???... In the Charles Kenyon article about the A&F Lugers for "The Gun Report" magazine of April 1995 on page 47 (actually a 2-part article), Kenyon surmises for the A&F Lugers a "...serial range; approximately 2650i - 3200i, although not sequential reflects a lot purchase from factory inventory stores...". Author Vittorio Bobba in his large book on Swiss Lugers on page 122 surmises a SN range for these guns from 2000-3500i. Only 100 of these A&F guns are thought to exist; 49 in 9 mm (with a 2-line barrel inscription) and 51 in 7,65 mm (with a 1-line barrel inscription). So why do we see this AZ gun with a SN of 5259i...???... Also in the recent Greg Martin auction in SF, they had offered two other A&F Lugers with SN's of 5366i and 5553i... http://68.167.203.107:8050/FMPro?-db...12589638&-Find http://68.167.203.107:8050/FMPro?-db...12589526&-Find On the other hand, the folks at FGS have this SN 28xxi for sale...which fits, well, within the Kenyon SN range : http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/images/lug10209.jpg I suppose one could start with a gun like this SN 2433i (1920's Swiss commercial gun) add the "new" barrel and its A&F enscription and end up with an even "better" forgery of an A&F Luger...???...taking a $ 2000 gun up to a $ 10-12K gun...at least such a modified gun would "fit" into the right SN range Kenyon mentions. http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=1888