My Swiss At Last~~

cirelaw · 10-12-2014, 01:41 PM

It was worth the wait!! The mag looks like it never been loaded~~Thanks To my dearest friend George Anderson~~~

Sergio Natali · 10-12-2014, 03:53 PM

I' really glad for you!

Congratulations for your "Swiss" 1900/06 !

Sergio

cirelaw · 10-12-2014, 04:38 PM

Are there any real diferences between the Swiss and the German models? I just came upon this article~ http://rantsnraves.blogs.com/gungaze...le-190006.html

Ron Wood · 10-12-2014, 06:00 PM

No, not really...until you get to the Model 1929 Swiss, and then the differences are largely cosmetic.

cirelaw · 10-12-2014, 06:05 PM

Is there one model held about collectors as 'must have'?

cirelaw · 10-12-2014, 07:37 PM

Ron, why so many variations? Or is it??

spacecoast · 10-12-2014, 08:11 PM

Ron - the Swiss used DWM parts for quite a long time to assemble their Lugers, right? When did they start making their own?

Ron Wood · 10-12-2014, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Is there one model held about collectors as 'must have'?

If you are talking about Swiss, I would guess it would be a very early 1900 with an unrelieved frame and flat button magazine. Prototype and pre-production pieces are out of the question for anyone other than millionaires.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Ron, why so many variations? Or is it??

Not many variations, just 1900 DWM military and commercial, 1906 DWM military and commercial, and the two produced by the Swiss - the Model 1906 Bern and the Model 1929 Bern

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacecoast

Ron - the Swiss used DWM parts for quite a long time to assemble their Lugers, right? When did they start making their own?

Not exactly. DWM produced the Swiss Lugers up until WWI. The Swiss started making their own in 1918.

cirelaw · 10-12-2014, 08:23 PM

What constitutes a prototype and for whom were the made? Me~

Ron Wood · 10-12-2014, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

What constitutes a prototype and for whom were the made? Me~

Eric,
We are still talking Swiss here. The prototypes were made in 1898 and the pre-production in 1899.

cirelaw · 10-13-2014, 12:32 PM

All things Swiss~ http://www.landofborchardt.com/swiss_acc.html

LU1900 · 10-14-2014, 12:53 PM

There's also some "try/test" with the model 1929 barreled in 9mm , before adoption for the SIG

Lugerdoc · 10-15-2014, 12:33 PM

Ron & Eric, I believe that you forgot to include the M1906 Swiss Police with the "cross in shield" logo and the 9mm Bern Police in your list. TH

Ron Wood · 10-15-2014, 01:48 PM

Tom,
Thanks! The "cross in shield" wasn't a police issue, it remained army but just reflected a change in the national emblem (I would have to look up the date and official order). The 9mm Bern Police is a nifty variation, one of the last DWM production with the "lazy" Crown/N proof.
Ron

Ben M. · 10-16-2014, 09:53 PM

i just started to read about basel police lugers and found one at the simpson seller site:
http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=23845

and some in 7.65 round too:
http://xm25.com/item.cgi?cat=chg&sku=CR16&recid=19

i cannot find informacions on bern police lugers. is this more rare?

10-12-2014, 01:41 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My Swiss At Last~~ It was worth the wait!! The mag looks like it never been loaded~~Thanks To my dearest friend George Anderson~~~ Attached Thumbnails

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I' really glad for you! Congratulations for your "Swiss" 1900/06 ! Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	No, not really...until you get to the Model 1929 Swiss, and then the differences are largely cosmetic. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 41 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	There's also some "try/test" with the model 1929 barreled in 9mm , before adoption for the SIG __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ron & Eric, I believe that you forgot to include the M1906 Swiss Police with the "cross in shield" logo and the 9mm Bern Police in your list. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-12-2014, 04:38 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Are there any real diferences between the Swiss and the German models? I just came upon this article~ http://rantsnraves.blogs.com/gungaze...le-190006.html

10-12-2014, 06:05 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Is there one model held about collectors as 'must have'?

10-12-2014, 07:37 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ron, why so many variations? Or is it??

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spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Ron - the Swiss used DWM parts for quite a long time to assemble their Lugers, right? When did they start making their own?

10-12-2014, 08:23 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	What constitutes a prototype and for whom were the made? Me~

10-13-2014, 12:32 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	All things Swiss~ http://www.landofborchardt.com/swiss_acc.html

10-15-2014, 01:48 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Tom, Thanks! The "cross in shield" wasn't a police issue, it remained army but just reflected a change in the national emblem (I would have to look up the date and official order). The 9mm Bern Police is a nifty variation, one of the last DWM production with the "lazy" Crown/N proof. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-16-2014, 09:53 PM	#15
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	i just started to read about basel police lugers and found one at the simpson seller site: http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=23845 and some in 7.65 round too: http://xm25.com/item.cgi?cat=chg&sku=CR16&recid=19 i cannot find informacions on bern police lugers. is this more rare?