Civil War

LU1900 · 11-05-2019, 11:46 AM

Doubs · 11-05-2019, 03:15 PM

My grandfather was friends with a Union Veteran who had lost a leg at the Battle of South Mountain in 1862. John Ehle was a 16 year old private in the 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment that, along with other Regiments, earned the nickname "The Iron Brigade" at that battle. A shell splinter cut him above both knees and he barely survived. My father also knew him and was almost 10 when John Ehle passed away in late 1919.

Together, my grandfather and John Ehle each bought a set of "The Photographic History of the Civil War". I now own the set that my grandfather bought.

wlyon · 11-05-2019, 03:36 PM

When I was a kid we had several old Civil War veterans around my small home town. On Memorial day they would get in uniform and be driven in the parade. They were all in their 90's. Bill

Edward Tinker · 11-05-2019, 09:53 PM

Bill and Doubs, that is a cool thing to have known and seen.

I am a member of Sons of Union Veterans in Washington state - a charter member

My emphasis in school was history - and I'd say its a mixture of WW2 and Civil War

Fascinating stuff, will look in depth tomorrow!

Ed

Doubs · 11-06-2019, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Bill and Doubs, that is a cool thing to have known and seen.

I am a member of Sons of Union Veterans in Washington state - a charter member

Ed

Ed, ALL of my own ancestors, including a GG Grandfather, fought for the Confederacy.... at least a dozen of them. They were all on my mother's side. All were Virginians. Of three brothers, one was killed, one lost a leg and was captured and another was captured late in the war. Another was with the First Nelson Light Artillery and had mortars that did terrible damage at the Crater. He was with General Lee at Appomattox.

On my father's side, another GG Grandfather was in the MD legislature and was arrested by order of President Lincoln as a suspected Southern sympathizer. His story is detailed in the "Official Records of the War of the Rebellion", a 128 volume set compiled by the War Department, in the section "The Maryland Arrests".

Andrew N. Kessler, Jr, was arrested in Frederick, MD, on 17 September, 1861, by Pinkerton men and Baltimore police. A steamer sailed from Baltimore to New York Harbor and then to Fort Warren in Boston Harbor where he was incarcerated. He was released just before Christmas after signing an Oath of Allegiance to the United States.

I was a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans for awhile some years back.

Pistol · 11-10-2019, 07:55 PM

I have ancestors that fought on both sides. Familes with brothers on opposing sides. TN had many battles and skirmishes, I think second only in number to VA.

Saxon · 11-11-2019, 11:04 AM

It was not a Civil War.It was a War Between the States.

George Anderson · 11-11-2019, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Saxon

It was not a Civil War.It was a War Between the States.

Absolutely correct!!! We call it the War for Southern Independence.

LU1900 · 11-11-2019, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Absolutely correct!!! We call it the War for Southern Independence.

Sorry about my title
Hope no offence for any one

ithacaartist · 11-11-2019, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Absolutely correct!!! We call it the War for Southern Independence.

From the standpoint of The United States of America, it was an armed rebellion. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Some jibber-jabber about "States' rights," but the seceded states only cared about one "right," which was the ability to legally own other human beings as property. Understandable, perhaps, since the cheap labor was the cornerstone of their economy at the time. Let's just be glad that our society is more moral than that now.

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Originally Posted by LU1900

Sorry about my title
Hope no offence for any one

No need for an apology, Patrice. When a nation is divided into factions that kill each other over who's going to control its destiny, that's the essence of a civil war. That the two factions occupied separate, relatively well-defined geographic areas is moot.

Pistol · 11-11-2019, 11:46 PM

"From the standpoint of The United States of America, it was an armed rebellion. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Some jibber-jabber about "States' rights," but the seceded states only cared about one "right," which was the ability to legally own other human beings as property. Understandable, perhaps, since the cheap labor was the cornerstone of their economy at the time. Let's just be glad that our society is more moral than that now."

Some would object that they only cared about ONE "right". And I'm not so sure our current society is any more moral today. Not to get political, but we have a Gov. from VA that wore black face and played dress up in a white sheet. He also believes in infantacide. Yet the "woke" and "moral" faction of this country have no objections to that depravity. Even Jefferson Davis would know that is immoral.

No doubt that no matter what you call it, Civil War, War of Rebellion, War of Northern Agression, etc., it was indeed a bloody and costly one. The bloodiest single–day battle in American history was the Battle of Antietam when 3,654 Union and Confederate soldiers were killed on September 17, 1862.

And violence often carried over even after the war. One of my ancestors in TN was a Major for the Union. He had to testify in a trial in Knoxville regarding the murder of a man that was beaten and set on fire after the war. The four men that killed him were confederates and possibly killed him over something he did while they were gone serving.

I had another ancestor in NC that was a confederate home guard killed on the last day of the war. Talk about luck.

My 3rd great grandfather had an older brother that was in the Confederacy, and two younger brothers in the Union army. They said it caused tension within the family............a war that at times truely pitted brother against brother. Hopefully, our country will never go through that hell again.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-12-2019, 01:07 PM

Hopefully, our country will never go through that hell again.Seems we are about there now.

DonVoigt · 11-12-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

From the standpoint of The United States of America, it was an armed rebellion. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Some jibber-jabber about "States' rights," but the seceded states only cared about one "right," which was the ability to legally own other human beings as property. Understandable, perhaps, since the cheap labor was the cornerstone of their economy at the time. Let's just be glad that our society is more moral than that now.

No need for an apology, Patrice. When a nation is divided into factions that kill each other over who's going to control its destiny, that's the essence of a civil war. That the two factions occupied separate, relatively well-defined geographic areas is moot.

I cannot agree with all you wrote, you assume too much; and hindsight is always 20/20.

This one of those areas that probably should fall under the
"no political discussion" subject ban of this forum.

Such discussion serves only to dredge up old animosities and differences of opinion.

JMHO.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-12-2019, 03:33 PM

Such discussion serves only to dredge up old animosities and differences of opinion. Can't we all just get along? Not everything has to dredge up old animosities and differences of opinion does it? I cannot agree with all you wrote..who does in reality? If we can't find some common ground here among friends there is no hope to find it anywhere. I cannot agree with all you wrote, then look away and go on. No sense to kill the messenger.

DonVoigt · 11-12-2019, 05:45 PM

Gee- I didn't think I "killed" the messenger.
Just saying some discussions lead to hard feelings- so why even go there?

I guess I don't get the same chance to express my opinion as Dave?

lugerholsterrepair · 11-12-2019, 06:00 PM

OKOK, This one of those areas that probably should fall under the
"no political discussion" subject ban of this forum.

Lets just call it "attempted" .
Just saying some discussions lead to hard feelings- so why even go there? Yes, why? Unfortunately politics has wormed it's way into all of our brains like a life sucking parasite. It's almost impossible to say ANYTHING that doesn't offend someone. Two neighbors talking across the fence have differing opinions. So what? Keep it civil. Be kind & polite. We live together. It's called respect. Yes, I might disagree..heck we all do to some extent. We are all adults..I have my opinions but there is no reason to have any "hard" feelings.

I guess I don't get the same chance to express my opinion as Dave?The thread isn't locked. Yet. Keep it civil. Be kind & polite. We live together. It's called respect.

But yes..it's best to avoid direct party talking points.
Now back to the Civil War!

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11-05-2019, 03:15 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 769 Thanked 1,611 Times in 525 Posts	My grandfather was friends with a Union Veteran who had lost a leg at the Battle of South Mountain in 1862. John Ehle was a 16 year old private in the 2nd Wisconsin Volunteer Infantry Regiment that, along with other Regiments, earned the nickname "The Iron Brigade" at that battle. A shell splinter cut him above both knees and he barely survived. My father also knew him and was almost 10 when John Ehle passed away in late 1919. Together, my grandfather and John Ehle each bought a set of "The Photographic History of the Civil War". I now own the set that my grandfather bought. Last edited by Doubs; 11-06-2019 at 01:16 AM.

11-05-2019, 03:36 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,614 Thanks: 3,140 Thanked 2,519 Times in 939 Posts	When I was a kid we had several old Civil War veterans around my small home town. On Memorial day they would get in uniform and be driven in the parade. They were all in their 90's. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

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Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 421 Thanks: 430 Thanked 214 Times in 95 Posts	"From the standpoint of The United States of America, it was an armed rebellion. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Some jibber-jabber about "States' rights," but the seceded states only cared about one "right," which was the ability to legally own other human beings as property. Understandable, perhaps, since the cheap labor was the cornerstone of their economy at the time. Let's just be glad that our society is more moral than that now." Some would object that they only cared about ONE "right". And I'm not so sure our current society is any more moral today. Not to get political, but we have a Gov. from VA that wore black face and played dress up in a white sheet. He also believes in infantacide. Yet the "woke" and "moral" faction of this country have no objections to that depravity. Even Jefferson Davis would know that is immoral. No doubt that no matter what you call it, Civil War, War of Rebellion, War of Northern Agression, etc., it was indeed a bloody and costly one. The bloodiest single–day battle in American history was the Battle of Antietam when 3,654 Union and Confederate soldiers were killed on September 17, 1862. And violence often carried over even after the war. One of my ancestors in TN was a Major for the Union. He had to testify in a trial in Knoxville regarding the murder of a man that was beaten and set on fire after the war. The four men that killed him were confederates and possibly killed him over something he did while they were gone serving. I had another ancestor in NC that was a confederate home guard killed on the last day of the war. Talk about luck. My 3rd great grandfather had an older brother that was in the Confederacy, and two younger brothers in the Union army. They said it caused tension within the family............a war that at times truely pitted brother against brother. Hopefully, our country will never go through that hell again. Last edited by Pistol; 11-11-2019 at 11:52 PM. Reason: Typo

11-12-2019, 01:07 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Hopefully, our country will never go through that hell again.Seems we are about there now. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-05-2019, 09:53 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,909 Thanks: 1,986 Thanked 4,500 Times in 2,076 Posts	Bill and Doubs, that is a cool thing to have known and seen. I am a member of Sons of Union Veterans in Washington state - a charter member My emphasis in school was history - and I'd say its a mixture of WW2 and Civil War Fascinating stuff, will look in depth tomorrow! Ed

11-10-2019, 07:55 PM	#6
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 421 Thanks: 430 Thanked 214 Times in 95 Posts	I have ancestors that fought on both sides. Familes with brothers on opposing sides. TN had many battles and skirmishes, I think second only in number to VA.

11-11-2019, 11:04 AM	#7
Saxon Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 13 Thanks: 21 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	It was not a Civil War.It was a War Between the States.

11-12-2019, 03:33 PM	#14
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Such discussion serves only to dredge up old animosities and differences of opinion. Can't we all just get along? Not everything has to dredge up old animosities and differences of opinion does it? I cannot agree with all you wrote..who does in reality? If we can't find some common ground here among friends there is no hope to find it anywhere. I cannot agree with all you wrote, then look away and go on. No sense to kill the messenger. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-12-2019, 05:45 PM	#15
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,677 Thanks: 1,439 Thanked 4,347 Times in 2,038 Posts	Gee- I didn't think I "killed" the messenger. Just saying some discussions lead to hard feelings- so why even go there? I guess I don't get the same chance to express my opinion as Dave? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

11-12-2019, 06:00 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	OKOK, This one of those areas that probably should fall under the "no political discussion" subject ban of this forum. Lets just call it "attempted" . Just saying some discussions lead to hard feelings- so why even go there? Yes, why? Unfortunately politics has wormed it's way into all of our brains like a life sucking parasite. It's almost impossible to say ANYTHING that doesn't offend someone. Two neighbors talking across the fence have differing opinions. So what? Keep it civil. Be kind & polite. We live together. It's called respect. Yes, I might disagree..heck we all do to some extent. We are all adults..I have my opinions but there is no reason to have any "hard" feelings. I guess I don't get the same chance to express my opinion as Dave?The thread isn't locked. Yet. Keep it civil. Be kind & polite. We live together. It's called respect. But yes..it's best to avoid direct party talking points. Now back to the Civil War! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."