Gun show inspections - Page 2

Edward Tinker · 06-23-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by postino

Welcome to New York! We hope you brought money!

i don't think that Marc is in New York, so not to sure what this means? Most states are not like this, in Tulsa, in Florida, you buy a gun from a private individual and its yours.

Here in Pennsylvania, handguns go through FFL (dealer or theirs) but rifles and shotguns, no issue.

lew1 · 06-23-2013, 05:36 PM

I do not let anyone at a show (unless I know them and their experience) take anything apart. Various reasons - 1) too many tire kickers, 2) sometimes they do not or cannot put it back together, 3) sometimes they don't know how to take it apart, 4) Having to watch them closely leaves one open to problems from their friends or others. Some where else - might be different.

lew1 · 06-23-2013, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

what?

I have had many tables, and I'm sure not a dealer?

You might qualify as a dealer depending on your selling habits/methods/frequency etc. This can vary from state to state.

lew1 · 06-23-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

i don't think that Marc is in New York, so not to sure what this rant means? Most states are not like this, in Tulsa, in Florida, you buy a gun from a private individual and its yours.

Here in Pennsylvania, handguns go through FFL (dealer or theirs) but rifles and shotguns, no issue.

And a record is kept of the buyer's name, and the model and serial number of the pistol.

rhuff · 06-23-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skeeter4206

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=346632456

heres the link to the select fire broom handle.

I would really like to own that handgun.......all I need now is the cash!!

alanint · 06-23-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by alvin

The production volume was near six digit. The price varies from time to time. Fully transferable ones are rare in U.S. and are expensive. A few were sold above $10,000 recently (including a rare Nickl). But I saw some of dealer-only samples offered online did not sell at $6000. Since it's a class III weapon, many collectors have to bypass it to avoid some class III related headache. There is an extra "legal fee" associated with this type of gun. I believe same is true for other class III guns.

No "Legal Fee" just a "Tax Fee" of $200, if you live in an area where you are allowed to own Title 2 stuff. ("Class 3" is a misnomer. These items are better referred to as Title 2 or simply NFA items).
The posted Schnellfeuer is a little overpriced for a Pre May Dealer Sample. I would expect a fully transferrable to go for this kind of money.

alvin · 06-23-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

No "Legal Fee" just a "Tax Fee" of $200, if you live in an area where you are allowed to own Title 2 stuff. ("Class 3" is a misnomer. These items are better referred to as Title 2 or simply NFA items).
The posted Schnellfeuer is a little overpriced for a Pre May Dealer Sample. I would expect a fully transferrable to go for this kind of money.

Thanks for the info. Personally, I have to bypass Machine Pistols. But each collector's situation is different, this gun has a special position in pistol development, and if possible, owning a Schnellfeuer will be great!

A fully transferable SF was sold recently for $14,950:

http://www.cowanauctions.com/auction...?ItemId=122168

MikeP · 06-23-2013, 06:48 PM

I fired a Schnell years ago. They have a big switch n the side.
So impractical its hard to believe so many were made.
Hard to get less than about a 4-5 round burst and those all over the place.

In the "old" days gunshow parking lots were fabulous places, but the feds were lurking.
Old childhood friend did that for years-they were mostly looking to build cases and bust habitual offenders.
They were watching a lot of people. I always thought my friend had got caught and turned rat to save himself. He and his handler tried to recruit me when I got out of the army, but that behaviour was short of my standards.

cdmech · 06-23-2013, 07:01 PM

At gun shows around here in CA, there are two types of sellers, those with an FFL and those without. I don't know what "dealer" implies. If the guy selling the hand gun or newer than 50 year old rifle is not an FFL, the two of you walk over to the table of FFLs and complete your transaction and you get your gun in ten days from the FFL. If your buying a C&R long gun from a non-FFL, then cash and carry. If the C&R long gun seller is an FFL, then wait ten days.
Next year there will be no cash and carry of anything in CA, so old long rifles are commanding top $$$ right now. Most of the tables are non-FFLs at the shows I've seen, but I don't spend any time looking at the new stuff either.
Marc

cdmech · 06-23-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

I do not let anyone at a show (unless I know them and their experience) take anything apart. Various reasons - 1) too many tire kickers, 2) sometimes they do not or cannot put it back together, 3) sometimes they don't know how to take it apart, 4) Having to watch them closely leaves one open to problems from their friends or others. Some where else - might be different.

All of these are true. Buying at a gun show then becomes more of a gamble than an Internet purchase, because most online sellers at least give you an "inspection" period.
Ok to ask if you can, but don't expect to be allowed to I guess is the right attitude.
Marc

lew1 · 06-23-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cdmech

All of these are true. Buying at a gun show then becomes more of a gamble than an Internet purchase, because most online sellers at least give you an "inspection" period.
Ok to ask if you can, but don't expect to be allowed to I guess is the right attitude.
Marc

It is a gamble because of the 4 reasons I mentioned. A person can ask, but there is no way to know if a person falls into one of the above ahead of time. So why create problems for your self.

As to internet sellers giving an inspection, many say that no dis-assembly is allowed.

alvin · 06-23-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

As to internet sellers giving an inspection, many say that no dis-assembly is allowed.

No disassembly allowed? I saw dfwarms.com having that clause in terms of sales.

His items are expensive ones, I can partially understand his concerns. Viewers seriously interested in an item simply need to ask him to disassemble it before paying $$

conehammer · 06-25-2013, 04:03 AM

I never had any problems disassembling Broomhandles. No one ever even showed me but I did have a exploded view.

I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing.
My first Broomhandle was the second pistol I had, after a 7,65 Luger ( some 1920's sort).

I remember being at a gun show in Mountain View ( Ca ) in the early 1980s at which a seller was perplexed how to put a Broomhandle back together. I took care of that right quickly.

I solved that conundrum that rarely occurs when someone reassembles one with an incorrectly assembled lock. It's just a matter of applying pressure and pulling on several parts at the same time. I remember walking someone through it on the old Yahoo newsgroup.

Broomhandles are fun, I just don't shoot any of mine any longer... No shootee - no breakee...

Jerry

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 12:12 PM

I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. Yes..I agree, it's really funny for the average guy who takes one of these apart. The laughable part is when the monstrosity of weird parts gets stuck and no matter what you do it cannot be forced apart. OH! And another hilarious part of these pistols is the sharp angular edges and points all over them! Kind of like brushing a cat's teeth or giving a big feral tom cat a manicure. The last time..and I mean last time I monkeyed with one of these my hands looked like I stuck them in a tigers cage about lunch time.
A Luger or any John Browning designed pistol is like picking up a stick of butter over a piece of cholla cactus.
I almost forgot the funniest part! It's actually possible for the top end of these pistols to come completely off and hit you in the face!! That's if it doesn't hit your funnybone first! As much of a laugh riot as these pistols are..after owning a half dozen I went back to my Lugers.

cirelaw · 06-25-2013, 12:30 PM

It took me years to realize that you have to pull back the top portion to move the takedown. Since my stroke I'm lousy at directions..PS Thank Jerry!

lew1 · 06-25-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. Yes..I agree, it's really funny for the average guy who takes one of these apart. The laughable part is when the monstrosity of weird parts gets stuck and no matter what you do it cannot be forced apart. OH! And another hilarious part of these pistols is the sharp angular edges and points all over them! Kind of like brushing a cat's teeth or giving a big feral tom cat a manicure. The last time..and I mean last time I monkeyed with one of these my hands looked like I stuck them in a tigers cage about lunch time.
A Luger or any John Browning designed pistol is like picking up a stick of butter over a piece of cholla cactus.
I almost forgot the funniest part! It's actually possible for the top end of these pistols to come completely off and hit you in the face!! That's if it doesn't hit your funnybone first! As much of a laugh riot as these pistols are..after owning a half dozen I went back to my Lugers.

You would be surprised at the number of people who cannot put a Hi Power back together.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 01:39 PM

Charlie..I bet! I pride myself on my mechanical ability. I have dis assembled Browing A5 Automatic shotguns many times and because parts can fall out when a pin is pushed you don't know for sure exactly how they go back..Everything has to go somewhere though..Certain guns are a challenge and I find the C96 not so much a challenge but just irritating in it's whole method of construction.

The only HP's I have are Englis..Someday I hope to find a good pre 45 German one I can afford! I assure you... taking a HP apart is a joy and a pleasure compared to a C96!

alanint · 06-25-2013, 02:12 PM

Try a fully automatic BAR or Browning 1919A4 sometime. They are really complex.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-25-2013, 03:40 PM

Doug..I would dearly love to! I have always thought a really cool museum would be full of firearms you could take down and put back together. I guess that was called the Army.

alvin · 06-25-2013, 04:37 PM

Back a few years ago, I paid an online course teaching how to repair watches. After the course, I bought a"watch repairing kit" from the tutor, including a movement for practicing purpose. Soon, I found the hardest part in practice -- the floor was a black hole, if a tiny component flew out during disassembly, it's simply impossible to find it any more.

06-23-2013, 05:36 PM	#22
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	I do not let anyone at a show (unless I know them and their experience) take anything apart. Various reasons - 1) too many tire kickers, 2) sometimes they do not or cannot put it back together, 3) sometimes they don't know how to take it apart, 4) Having to watch them closely leaves one open to problems from their friends or others. Some where else - might be different. __________________ charlie

06-25-2013, 12:12 PM	#34
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. Yes..I agree, it's really funny for the average guy who takes one of these apart. The laughable part is when the monstrosity of weird parts gets stuck and no matter what you do it cannot be forced apart. OH! And another hilarious part of these pistols is the sharp angular edges and points all over them! Kind of like brushing a cat's teeth or giving a big feral tom cat a manicure. The last time..and I mean last time I monkeyed with one of these my hands looked like I stuck them in a tigers cage about lunch time. A Luger or any John Browning designed pistol is like picking up a stick of butter over a piece of cholla cactus. I almost forgot the funniest part! It's actually possible for the top end of these pistols to come completely off and hit you in the face!! That's if it doesn't hit your funnybone first! As much of a laugh riot as these pistols are..after owning a half dozen I went back to my Lugers. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-25-2013, 01:39 PM	#37
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Charlie..I bet! I pride myself on my mechanical ability. I have dis assembled Browing A5 Automatic shotguns many times and because parts can fall out when a pin is pushed you don't know for sure exactly how they go back..Everything has to go somewhere though..Certain guns are a challenge and I find the C96 not so much a challenge but just irritating in it's whole method of construction. The only HP's I have are Englis..Someday I hope to find a good pre 45 German one I can afford! I assure you... taking a HP apart is a joy and a pleasure compared to a C96! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-25-2013, 03:40 PM	#39
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,760 Thanks: 4,848 Thanked 3,099 Times in 1,426 Posts	Doug..I would dearly love to! I have always thought a really cool museum would be full of firearms you could take down and put back together. I guess that was called the Army. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-23-2013, 06:48 PM	#28
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	I fired a Schnell years ago. They have a big switch n the side. So impractical its hard to believe so many were made. Hard to get less than about a 4-5 round burst and those all over the place. In the "old" days gunshow parking lots were fabulous places, but the feds were lurking. Old childhood friend did that for years-they were mostly looking to build cases and bust habitual offenders. They were watching a lot of people. I always thought my friend had got caught and turned rat to save himself. He and his handler tried to recruit me when I got out of the army, but that behaviour was short of my standards.

06-23-2013, 07:01 PM	#29
cdmech User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 218 Thanks: 87 Thanked 134 Times in 55 Posts	At gun shows around here in CA, there are two types of sellers, those with an FFL and those without. I don't know what "dealer" implies. If the guy selling the hand gun or newer than 50 year old rifle is not an FFL, the two of you walk over to the table of FFLs and complete your transaction and you get your gun in ten days from the FFL. If your buying a C&R long gun from a non-FFL, then cash and carry. If the C&R long gun seller is an FFL, then wait ten days. Next year there will be no cash and carry of anything in CA, so old long rifles are commanding top $$$ right now. Most of the tables are non-FFLs at the shows I've seen, but I don't spend any time looking at the new stuff either. Marc

06-25-2013, 04:03 AM	#33
conehammer User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 114 Thanks: 1 Thanked 55 Times in 21 Posts	I never had any problems disassembling Broomhandles. No one ever even showed me but I did have a exploded view. I always found the hubbub over taking them apart amusing. My first Broomhandle was the second pistol I had, after a 7,65 Luger ( some 1920's sort). I remember being at a gun show in Mountain View ( Ca ) in the early 1980s at which a seller was perplexed how to put a Broomhandle back together. I took care of that right quickly. I solved that conundrum that rarely occurs when someone reassembles one with an incorrectly assembled lock. It's just a matter of applying pressure and pulling on several parts at the same time. I remember walking someone through it on the old Yahoo newsgroup. Broomhandles are fun, I just don't shoot any of mine any longer... No shootee - no breakee... Jerry

06-25-2013, 12:30 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	It took me years to realize that you have to pull back the top portion to move the takedown. Since my stroke I'm lousy at directions..PS Thank Jerry!

06-25-2013, 02:12 PM	#38
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Try a fully automatic BAR or Browning 1919A4 sometime. They are really complex.

06-25-2013, 04:37 PM	#40
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Back a few years ago, I paid an online course teaching how to repair watches. After the course, I bought a"watch repairing kit" from the tutor, including a movement for practicing purpose. Soon, I found the hardest part in practice -- the floor was a black hole, if a tiny component flew out during disassembly, it's simply impossible to find it any more.