Repro. or Authentic

Brew_Ha_Ha · 06-12-2003, 11:51 PM

The Luger I bought came with a holster, and I never use the holster for any purpose except to hold the mag. loader. It is brown with no markings. Has brown stiching all the way around. Of course as stated above it has a pouch to carry the magazine tool. It has a belt buckle/watch like fasten to close it. It has a piece of leather that you lift to draw the pistol. It has an extra mag pouch with a
semi-circle for the Luger mag. It is somewhat but in my eyes not well worn, not two world wars worn. Looks pretty well made. It has a hard shell on the flap and on halfway down the backside is a hard casing. That about sums it up. I'll post pics if needed. For some reason I doubt it is authentic/original. thanks for your help.

Edward Tinker · 06-13-2003, 12:21 AM

Pictures would help others "see" it and judge.

From your description and your feeling, that if you think it is fake, it might be. But I have a 1941 Police that is in very nice shape and is original...

Ed

Brew_Ha_Ha · 06-13-2003, 06:34 PM

I am not running any photo editing program on this machine, so the pictures may be alittle dark.

stormfront777 · 06-13-2003, 06:53 PM

HAve you given it the "smell test" If it smells new, it probably is
Brian

Brew_Ha_Ha · 06-13-2003, 06:55 PM

Heh, the smell test-it smells like leather. I have a Kodak box camera, it smells like that.

Brian, are an advocate of the devil? Weird how your name has 777, but your member number is 666.

George Anderson · 06-13-2003, 09:24 PM

Looks like a phony to me. Let Jerry Burney be the judge.

Navy · 06-13-2003, 10:14 PM

I am not so sure its a fake, but the finish looks like someone got to it with some "Skuff-Kote" The thing has certainly been the victim of the boot-polish boojum, which, for the uninitiated, is a terrible thing.

Boojum is a force in the universe that cannot be resisted. When Navy Luger boojum hits me, I am powerless...I just gots to buy me one and I do so with frequency such that my my children have no Christmas and my cats have no kitty treats. Boojum is an awesome force.

Ah, now that I have removed my aluminum foil hat and disconnected the C.I.A. communications nodes from my dental work, I will go back to looking for fine Navy lugers.

Tom A.

Brew_Ha_Ha · 06-13-2003, 10:18 PM

O....K? I love your Navy Rig Avatar, is that one yours?

Edward Tinker · 06-14-2003, 02:30 AM

Nick, look in the Member Gallery and you will find Tom's great Navy's.

one of his nice guns:

http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...04NavyEnsemble

Ed

Navy · 06-14-2003, 07:08 PM

Brew,
It is one of my pieces; I have a few interesting Navies that I have gathered along the way, also an interesting other piece or two. I like guns (Navies included) that have some historic significence.

Today, I spent most of the morning examining a 1914 pattern navy, (1917) date, that purportedly was taken from the house of Grossadmiral Raeder. Interesting piece, but the provenance is light,IMHO, for what I suspect the owner wishes for it.

I would share more photos with the group except I have very little time, poor equipment and am sadly lacking in the skills required to do pix well.

Tom A

lugerholsterrepair · 06-14-2003, 09:48 PM

Brew_ha_ha, FAKE,The devil is in the details. It looks to be well made but certainly not German pre 45. It is made in the post Weimar period style, WW2 but has many missing charicteristics. The stitching is incorrect on the closure strap and there are no stitching lines on the left belt loop bottom to hold in the lift-strap. There is no P08 stamped on the back and I could see no code or Waffenampt anywhere. One could say, alright, it is civilian but it still does not have the German craftsmanship it should have. Pretty much the difference between Gucci and Walmart.

You may be able to do a little detective work yourself. There are some angles I cannot ascertain details from, The buckle area for one. Does the thread close up look like rope? Many threads twisted into one? Does the metal stud on the interior tool pouch have any patina or green verdigris present? If you have any genuine Luger holsters, compare them, the roller buckle is generally thinner on repro's. Repro's also use cotton thread, it tends to be fuzzy and white, not like linen which should be smooth and yellowish. Jerry Burney

Brew_Ha_Ha · 06-14-2003, 10:05 PM

Well the holster did not cost me anything. But if I were to sell it how mugh would be appropriate, 20 bucks>. It servers no purpose to me unless it is collectible. Thanks for the info.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-15-2003, 11:08 AM

Brew_ha_ha, I would guess if you offered it on eBay you could get $40.00 for it. It does look to be a little better than the run of the mill. Offer it on the Forum first. Jerry Burney

Roadkill · 06-15-2003, 12:13 PM

I'd like it to use for carrying shooters to the range. Let me know. Thanks

rk

06-12-2003, 11:51 PM	#1
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Repro. or Authentic The Luger I bought came with a holster, and I never use the holster for any purpose except to hold the mag. loader. It is brown with no markings. Has brown stiching all the way around. Of course as stated above it has a pouch to carry the magazine tool. It has a belt buckle/watch like fasten to close it. It has a piece of leather that you lift to draw the pistol. It has an extra mag pouch with a semi-circle for the Luger mag. It is somewhat but in my eyes not well worn, not two world wars worn. Looks pretty well made. It has a hard shell on the flap and on halfway down the backside is a hard casing. That about sums it up. I'll post pics if needed. For some reason I doubt it is authentic/original. thanks for your help. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

06-13-2003, 12:21 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Pictures would help others "see" it and judge. From your description and your feeling, that if you think it is fake, it might be. But I have a 1941 Police that is in very nice shape and is original... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-13-2003, 06:34 PM	#3
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am not running any photo editing program on this machine, so the pictures may be alittle dark. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

06-13-2003, 06:55 PM	#5
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Heh, the smell test-it smells like leather. I have a Kodak box camera, it smells like that. Brian, are an advocate of the devil? Weird how your name has 777, but your member number is 666. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

06-13-2003, 10:18 PM	#8
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	O....K? I love your Navy Rig Avatar, is that one yours? __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

06-13-2003, 06:53 PM	#4
stormfront777 User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HAve you given it the "smell test" If it smells new, it probably is Brian

06-13-2003, 09:24 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Looks like a phony to me. Let Jerry Burney be the judge.

06-13-2003, 10:14 PM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I am not so sure its a fake, but the finish looks like someone got to it with some "Skuff-Kote" The thing has certainly been the victim of the boot-polish boojum, which, for the uninitiated, is a terrible thing. Boojum is a force in the universe that cannot be resisted. When Navy Luger boojum hits me, I am powerless...I just gots to buy me one and I do so with frequency such that my my children have no Christmas and my cats have no kitty treats. Boojum is an awesome force. Ah, now that I have removed my aluminum foil hat and disconnected the C.I.A. communications nodes from my dental work, I will go back to looking for fine Navy lugers. Tom A.

06-14-2003, 02:30 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,912 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Nick, look in the Member Gallery and you will find Tom's great Navy's. one of his nice guns: http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...04NavyEnsemble Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-14-2003, 07:08 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Brew, It is one of my pieces; I have a few interesting Navies that I have gathered along the way, also an interesting other piece or two. I like guns (Navies included) that have some historic significence. Today, I spent most of the morning examining a 1914 pattern navy, (1917) date, that purportedly was taken from the house of Grossadmiral Raeder. Interesting piece, but the provenance is light,IMHO, for what I suspect the owner wishes for it. I would share more photos with the group except I have very little time, poor equipment and am sadly lacking in the skills required to do pix well. Tom A

06-14-2003, 09:48 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Brew_ha_ha, FAKE,The devil is in the details. It looks to be well made but certainly not German pre 45. It is made in the post Weimar period style, WW2 but has many missing charicteristics. The stitching is incorrect on the closure strap and there are no stitching lines on the left belt loop bottom to hold in the lift-strap. There is no P08 stamped on the back and I could see no code or Waffenampt anywhere. One could say, alright, it is civilian but it still does not have the German craftsmanship it should have. Pretty much the difference between Gucci and Walmart. You may be able to do a little detective work yourself. There are some angles I cannot ascertain details from, The buckle area for one. Does the thread close up look like rope? Many threads twisted into one? Does the metal stud on the interior tool pouch have any patina or green verdigris present? If you have any genuine Luger holsters, compare them, the roller buckle is generally thinner on repro's. Repro's also use cotton thread, it tends to be fuzzy and white, not like linen which should be smooth and yellowish. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-14-2003, 10:05 PM	#12
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well the holster did not cost me anything. But if I were to sell it how mugh would be appropriate, 20 bucks>. It servers no purpose to me unless it is collectible. Thanks for the info. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

06-15-2003, 11:08 AM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,855 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Brew_ha_ha, I would guess if you offered it on eBay you could get $40.00 for it. It does look to be a little better than the run of the mill. Offer it on the Forum first. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-15-2003, 12:13 PM	#14
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	I'd like it to use for carrying shooters to the range. Let me know. Thanks rk