Mauser Lugers

CAP Black · 02-05-2017, 10:01 PM

Which years were Lugers manufactured by Mauser?
Thanks
Jack

Edward Tinker · 02-05-2017, 11:13 PM

Easy answer is K date to 1934

K date = 1934
G date = 1935

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but see below, I think thats a more complete answer - I assume the 1944's would be banners?

guns3545 · 02-05-2017, 11:14 PM

Jack,

Well!!! Not a particularly easy question to answer. Depends on what you mean.

BKIW production was transferred to Mauser in 1930. The first contract with the Heereswaffenamt for the P.08 was in 1934.

Mauser's production of the P.08 ended officially in 1942 with clean-up going on into 1943/44.

However, Mauser produced some commercial/export contracts into 1945.

The French operated the Mauser Works from 1945-1946.

But.. modern Lugers were also produced later as commenoratives, etc. And probably will still be in the future. Thus an overly simplified answer could be 1930 until ?????

Hopefully this data will allow you to answer your own question.

John

sheepherder · 02-05-2017, 11:53 PM

I was under the impression that there were three distinct periods of Mauser manufacture: The WW II war years; the period in the 50's when they re-manufactured 'used' Lugers; and the 70's period of newly manufactured Mauser Lugers made with some manufacturing improvements...

Vlim · 02-06-2017, 07:34 AM

Yup. 1930 to 2000 with some interruptions.

Edward Tinker · 02-06-2017, 08:43 AM

yeah, I disagree - manufactured means to me, their parts.

the early 30's were all DWM parts in my opinion and I am under the impression that mauser did not really get making parts until 1934 (so making parts in 1933) - there was no reason to hide and you see definite acceptance markings starting in 1934

I would agree that in 1931-1933 - that lugers were not made, but put together

hayhugh · 02-06-2017, 09:48 AM

Interarms paid Mauser to produce the Luger Parabellum that I have and marked as such twice. Its a great shooter with a much improved trigger action then my older lugers!

guns3545 · 02-06-2017, 11:49 AM

Jack,

As I said. This is not an easy question to answer precisely.

SO...Before, I respond to Ed's message; perhaps you can clarify your question.

Where are you going? What exactly are you trying to find out?

From 1930 onward a variety of Luger variations came out of Mauser Oberndorf. For several export contracts, the police, and some IMKK compliant commercial pistols for domestic sales.

But, the world was in a depression at this time and sales were minuscule until the Heereswaffenamt awarded the large contract for the armed forces, mainly the Army.

These early sales were a mix of finished guns from DWM (some of which required modification), some assembled guns and some that required machining of new parts.

Mauser received 43 numbered freight cars full of machinery, appliances (jigs), gauges, and parts (some finished and some not) between February 23rd and March 28th, 1930. Thus, by late 1930 they were fully capable of manufacturing Luger pistols.

But..the realities are, that, from a business/financial standpoint, the acquisition of the BKIW/DWM Luger business was a disaster for Mauser until they received the Heereswaffenamt contract and started producing P.08s in 1934. Detailed records are available for this early period regarding orders, inventory, revenue, etc. and they do not present a pretty picture.

John

CAP Black · 02-06-2017, 10:53 PM

My purpose in raising the question is related to Mauro's notice of assistance in looking up details of Mauser production of Lugers and which of my P08s fit in that category. I want to go for that info but don't want to bother anyone with incorrect inquiries.
Thanks to all that helped.
Jack

mrerick · 02-07-2017, 10:45 AM

Jack, IIRC, Mauro's production records only cover the last (1970's and beyond) incarnation of the Luger from the post-war Mauser, and include the Interarms as well as European distributed pistols. Most of the records are for .30 Luger caliber pistols.

These newly made Luger pistols are of very high quality. In fact, it proved not economical to manufacture and sell them in a competitive environment. For these reasons, I consider them quite collectible.

Here's his listing:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...cation+service

CAP Black · 02-07-2017, 07:45 PM

O.K. that was what I was getting by reading between the lines but didn't want to rely on my take on the subject.
Thanks
Jack

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Jack, IIRC, Mauro's production records only cover the last (1970's and beyond) incarnation of the Luger from the post-war Mauser, and include the Interarms as well as European distributed pistols. Most of the records are for .30 Luger caliber pistols. These newly made Luger pistols are of very high quality. In fact, it proved not economical to manufacture and sell them in a competitive environment. For these reasons, I consider them quite collectible. Here's his listing: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...cation+service __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-05-2017, 11:13 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	Easy answer is K date to 1934 K date = 1934 G date = 1935 ----------- but see below, I think thats a more complete answer - I assume the 1944's would be banners?

02-05-2017, 11:14 PM	#3
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 437 Thanks: 653 Thanked 492 Times in 218 Posts	Jack, Well!!! Not a particularly easy question to answer. Depends on what you mean. BKIW production was transferred to Mauser in 1930. The first contract with the Heereswaffenamt for the P.08 was in 1934. Mauser's production of the P.08 ended officially in 1942 with clean-up going on into 1943/44. However, Mauser produced some commercial/export contracts into 1945. The French operated the Mauser Works from 1945-1946. But.. modern Lugers were also produced later as commenoratives, etc. And probably will still be in the future. Thus an overly simplified answer could be 1930 until ????? Hopefully this data will allow you to answer your own question. John

02-06-2017, 07:34 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Yup. 1930 to 2000 with some interruptions.

02-06-2017, 08:43 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	yeah, I disagree - manufactured means to me, their parts. the early 30's were all DWM parts in my opinion and I am under the impression that mauser did not really get making parts until 1934 (so making parts in 1933) - there was no reason to hide and you see definite acceptance markings starting in 1934 I would agree that in 1931-1933 - that lugers were not made, but put together

02-06-2017, 09:48 AM	#7
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 889 Thanks: 856 Thanked 511 Times in 274 Posts	Interarms paid Mauser to produce the Luger Parabellum that I have and marked as such twice. Its a great shooter with a much improved trigger action then my older lugers!

02-06-2017, 11:49 AM	#8
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 437 Thanks: 653 Thanked 492 Times in 218 Posts	Jack, As I said. This is not an easy question to answer precisely. SO...Before, I respond to Ed's message; perhaps you can clarify your question. Where are you going? What exactly are you trying to find out? From 1930 onward a variety of Luger variations came out of Mauser Oberndorf. For several export contracts, the police, and some IMKK compliant commercial pistols for domestic sales. But, the world was in a depression at this time and sales were minuscule until the Heereswaffenamt awarded the large contract for the armed forces, mainly the Army. These early sales were a mix of finished guns from DWM (some of which required modification), some assembled guns and some that required machining of new parts. Mauser received 43 numbered freight cars full of machinery, appliances (jigs), gauges, and parts (some finished and some not) between February 23rd and March 28th, 1930. Thus, by late 1930 they were fully capable of manufacturing Luger pistols. But..the realities are, that, from a business/financial standpoint, the acquisition of the BKIW/DWM Luger business was a disaster for Mauser until they received the Heereswaffenamt contract and started producing P.08s in 1934. Detailed records are available for this early period regarding orders, inventory, revenue, etc. and they do not present a pretty picture. John

02-06-2017, 10:53 PM	#9
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	My purpose in raising the question is related to Mauro's notice of assistance in looking up details of Mauser production of Lugers and which of my P08s fit in that category. I want to go for that info but don't want to bother anyone with incorrect inquiries. Thanks to all that helped. Jack

02-07-2017, 07:45 PM	#11
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	O.K. that was what I was getting by reading between the lines but didn't want to rely on my take on the subject. Thanks Jack