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Unread 07-02-2022, 11:08 AM   #1
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Default Navy P08 # 2046b

I was scanning internet dealers' Lugers for sale and came across a Navy 08 that was sold by Phoenix Arms. The serial # is listed on Norm's list with a forced matched mag, well worn finish. My question was the seller said this pistol has a hold open adjustment which I am unfamiliar with. I looked through my G&S book volume 1 chapter 16 and can find no mention of an adjustable hold open. Is this a rare variant? BTW the pictures of this pistol show a finish that doesn't look worn at all, the seller must know how to use lighting and angles to really hide any imperfections. www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com item #2188
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Unread 07-02-2022, 01:05 PM   #2
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Happy 4th, Jim

I looked at the photos and I don't know what they are talking about.
I didn't see any adjustment knob.

Moreover, I can't imagine what an adjustable hold-open would offer?
Strange description and such poor grammar, it makes me wonder . . . .
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Unread 07-02-2022, 01:19 PM   #3
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Hi Jim,
Some time ago Phoenix Investment Arms had an Imperial Navy with a home made adjustable hold open which is not visible in the photos shown. Either the photo shows the wrong gun or it's the right gun with the wrong description.
A word of advice, exercise extreme caution with this seller.
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As mentioned above, a good policy is to not believe anything this seller says.
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I didn't think an adjustable hold open sounded right so that is why I asked. Thanks for the responses! I had no desire in buying anything I just like looking what is for sale and if something catches my eye I research it. This seller has tripped a few red flags for me in the way they have represented a few of their products and also the prices they ask are astronomical. BTW I have a 08 Navy which is on Norm's list so I am already covered with that type of Luger!
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The term "Adjustable hold-open" was coined by Phoenix in their description of 1916 Navy #6381, a gun that was first listed by them back in Aug 2016. This gun has been a fixture on their website (meaning it didn't sell) for many years and it may still be unsold as far as I know.
How they came to apply this feature in their description of 1908 Navy #2046b is a mystery, maybe a senior moment?
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It's there ... just there ... the right side reveals a knob below the ejector which permits that shooter to adjust the height of the hold open ... a custom or experimental hold open latch.

Do like I did ... consume a 5th of Scotch while intensely staring at the photograph for several hours and it's there ... just there.

"the seller must know how to use lighting and angles to really hide any imperfections." Photoshop anyone ???

Seriously though ... It's a beautiful gun ya ??
I think it would be much nicer without all that "lipstick on a pig" white marker as Norme calls it though.
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I think the blue has gotten better over the years, Ain't patina grande :-)
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